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The Iconoclast

Friday, 25 July 2014
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From TheTower.org:

An Israeli news station has reported this morning on a poll conducted by Professor Sammy Smooha of Haifa University showing that the acceptance of Israel by Israeli Arabs increased markedly between 2012 and 2013.

Channel 10/Nana reported (Hebrew) that the poll’s surprising results bucked conventional wisdom:

The research shows that between 2012 and 2013 there was an increase in the percentage of Israeli Arabs recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state, and Israel’s right to maintain a Jewish majority. Similarly, the percentage of Arabs who define themselves as “Israeli Arabs” without a Palestinian identity has increased.

Among the specific results reported were that the percentage of Israeli Arabs who accepted Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state rose to 52.8% from 47.4% the year before. There was a more pronounced rise in the percentage of Israeli Arabs who believe that Israel can exist as a Jewish majority state to 43.1% up  from 29.6% a year earlier. The number of Israeli-Arabs who accept their identity as such without identifying as Palestinians increased from 32.5% in 2012 to 42.5% in 2013. In 2013, 63.5% of Israeli Arabs consider Israel to be a good place to live up from 58.5% in 2012.

I don’t think this is so surprising. Israeli Arabs have relatives in the area controlled by the Palestinian Authority, and they understand very well that it is characterized by nepotic corruption, arbitrary police power and gangsterism.

But we shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking that these Arabs are Zionists. Many of them are well-educated professionals who are pragmatic in their politics, but when there are conflicts, like the intifadas, Operation Cast Lead (2008-9) or the almost-war with Hamas that happened in 2012, attitudes become more nationalistic.

In fact, the results of the survey quoted could have more to do with the bad relations in 2012 than the better ones of 2013.

There are also some hard-core supporters of Hamas or other anti-Israel organizations among the Arab citizens of Israel. And it seems that the rhetoric from Arab members of the Knesset has not moderated very much.

On the other hand, there are positive trends, like the glimmer of understanding on the part of some Christian Arabs that they are much better off aligning with their Jewish neighbors than their Muslim Arab ones. They can see how badly Islamists — in Egypt, Syria and Gaza for example — have treated Christians. Even under the secular PLO, the Christian population of the territories has declined sharply.

Good relations between Israeli Jews and the 20% of Israel’s citizens who are Arabs are critical for the survival of Israel as a Jewish state. But how do we define ‘good relations’?

Arab residents face a choice — should they continue to live as a national minority in Israel (or go to another Western country), where they will have civil rights, a great deal of freedom, and economic opportunity; or should they move to an Arab country (even Gaza or the PA) where they would be part of the cultural majority but lack rights, freedom and opportunity?

This is up to them. The one option that must be closed to them is to live in Israel and insist on a specifically ‘Palestinian’ national identity that includes — as it must — the commitment to regain ‘Palestine’ (which, in fact, they never had) from the Jews.

Meir Kahane believed that coexistence on the same land was simply impossible. But Jabotinsky had a different view:

As long as the Arabs feel that there is the least hope of getting rid of us, they will refuse to give up this hope in return for either kind words or for bread and butter, because they are not a rabble, but a living people. And when a living people yields in matters of such a vital character it is only when there is no longer any hope of getting rid of us, because they can make no breach in the iron wall. Not till then will they drop their extremist leaders, whose watchword is “Never!”

And the leadership will pass to the moderate groups, who will approach us with a proposal that we should both agree to mutual concessions. Then we may expect them to discuss honestly practical questions, such as a guarantee against Arab displacement, or equal rights for Arab citizen, or Arab national integrity.

And when that happens, I am convinced that we Jews will be found ready to give them satisfactory guarantees, so that both peoples can live together in peace, like good neighbours.

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Posted on 07/25/2014 2:00 PM by Norman Berdichevsky
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John Kerry does not realize, cannot allow himself to realize, that Hamas is conducting a Jihad against Israel. And so is Fatah, and Mahmoud Abbas, whom John Kerry finds to be so sympathetic a character, so deeply trustworthy, such a gentleman compared to that difficult, nay impossible man, Benjamin Netanyahu. He cannot allow himself to see that the Jihad is a worldwide phenomenon, with no limit in time or space. It is so central to Islam that many Muslims regard it as the Sixth Pillar of Islam, beyond the Five Pillars of individual worship (shehada, observation of Ramadan, performance of the Hajj, and so on). He wants to believe that there is a "solution" that can be reached, because otherwise....well, otherwise he and others like him, so deficient in their knowledge of the relevant history, so lacking in imagination, so unable to think of a hundred sundry ways that the Camp of Islam, could be divided and demoralized and weakened, and its numbers dimiinished, both in the West and in the East. He can't begin to think along those lines, because it corresopnds to nothing he has ever had to think, in his comfortable and soft existence. Have you ever looked at yearbook pictures? A lot can be learned by studying the school or yearbook faces of American, French, Russian students. Note the smiles on the faces of the American students, so trusting, so complacent, so unworried, and compare them with the varieties of serious mien that appear in the yearbooks of French students, or the somber faces of the Russian young.

Netanyahu must have an awful time in Kerry's presence. He knows so much more, has seen and endured so much more. And he also knows he can't say what he would like to say, at least not straight out. What's that Bushian remark? Yes, now I've remembered. I feel his pain.

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Posted on 07/25/2014 1:06 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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According to a report in le Figaro the UN is disturbed by a fatwa from the Caliphate ordering excision (genital mutilation) for all women. Don’t expect the world’s cameras to take positions inside the clinics—or above dirty blankets spread on the ground—to witness the mutilation of a potential 4 million victims. Unless and until Western media, civil rights organizations, thinkers and governments understand that this fatwa will spread like the jihad conquest of the Middle Ages and put the knife to the cherished sexual freedom of the free world, there will be no peace worthy of the name. Not in the Middle East, not in London, Paris, New York and Tokyo.

From the general to the particular: there was no cluster of journalists in front of the Pitzman restaurant Thursday morning. No visible police presence either. On the surface, everything was back to normal. I stopped by to verify the information heard that morning on Radio J, one of the best Jewish radio stations broadcasting from Paris. Yes, that’s how it happened. About 40 men apparently split off from the “good-natured” demonstration that dispersed at les Invalides on Wednesday and headed for the restaurant. Warned by someone who saw them running down the rue de Rivoli, the personnel lowered the metal shutter that protects the front door. The windows are bullet-proof. I asked how much time they had to batten the hatches. “Two minutes.”

The restaurant was filled. Diners could hear the raucous cries for Jewish blood as the assailants hammered the shutter with iron bars and baseball bats and tried to pry it open. One of the owners slipped out the back and came out through the synagogue where he was able to rescue two Jews trembling in fear.

Think of it: if or when these Jews make Aliyah and the young men don the uniform of the Israeli Defense Forces, they will become the heartless monsters portrayed in the soap opera that has been running successfully for 14 years. They will not cower, they will not wait for French riot police. They will defend themselves. And the media, and this and that human rights league, and the UN, and the pro-Hamas proto-caliphaters will deplore their use of “disproportionate force.” Supplications will mount to the high heavens. Ceasefire! Immediate ceasefire. Humanitarian ceasefire. 

The crash of an Air Algérie plane on its way from Ouagadougou to Algiers and points north with 54 French citizens on board was a coincidence, unrelated to the FAA ban on flights to and from Israel. There is no reason to believe that the passengers tragically killed on that flight would have gone to Tel Aviv instead. That would be ridiculous. So there is no reason to believe that the city of Paris decided to repair the botched paving on the rue des Rosiers this very week, when the heart of the old Jewish quarter is the target of those “good-natured pro-Palestinian demonstrators.”

Half the length of the street is closed off from vehicle traffic by flimsy metal hoardings. Uprooted paving stones, wooden planks and metal grids are stacked up in easy reach. Pedestrians—and assailants—can make their way to shops and restaurants. But the circulation of police cars would be difficult. Thursday evening the police were stationed at the corner of rue des Ecouffes and rue des Rosiers, facing l’As du Falafel, the most fantastic falafel joint this side of rehov Ibn Givarol [falafel street in Tel Aviv]. Hefty police ready for almost anything, not the usual good-natured types in shirt sleeves that usually patrol the neighborhood. At 11 PM, business was not booming as usual but the eateries were far from empty.

What will happen tomorrow (Saturday 26 July)? If, as I suspect, Wednesday‘s relatively non-violent authorized demonstration was staged to make way for a full-fledge assault on Saturday, with its focal point at la République, a sort of launching pad for multidirectional attacks in the area known, before the mass deportations of WW2, as the Pletzel, that extended from la République to St. Paul, heavily populated with French Jews and Jewish refugees from other European countries.

Last week France discovered contemporary anti-Semitism. When I wrote about it in Commentary [“Betrayed by Europe,” March 2004] then French ambassador to the U.S. Jean-David Levitte wrote a letter to the editors denouncing my dishonest portrayal of his country that had rehabilitated Dreyfus, elected Leon Blum, and saved 75% of its Jews from extermination. Now that anti-Semitism has become a household word, I’ve moved on. I prefer to focus on lethal narrative as a strategy of 21st century jihad conquest.

If we were dealing with biased reporting we could counter it with the facts. They are abundantly available on the Net. Any journalist anywhere in the world can know as much as you or I about what is really happening in Gaza today. They even report some of it. And then proceed to launch another lethal narrative rocket. Rockets were discovered last week in two UNWRA schools. Yesterday, 15 people were killed and 200 wounded in an as yet unidentified hit on an UNWRA school where some 8,000 Palestinians had reportedly sought refuge. We were treated to an obscene display of gore and hysteria in the hospital while the notorious Chris Guinness unequivocally condemned Israel. “Massacres” deliberately provoked by launching rockets from UN compounds in Lebanon and Gaza have been effective in the past.

It isn’t working this time. One reason is the discovery of some 34 tunnels from Gaza into the backyards of kibbutzim and moshavim m on the other side of the frontier, along with an alleged plan for a Rosh Hashanah [Jewish New Year] massacre that is being compared to the surprise attack of the 1973 Yom Kippur war.

Disinformation can be countered by hard contradictory evidence …but the jihad strategy forges ahead. From the al Dura blood libel that set the scene for this drama, in which Israelis are cast as merciless child killers, to the cats-in-heat calls for a ceasefire, an invitation to mass suicide is broadcast as the highest aspiration of decent human beings everywhere. Hopes for a ceasefire, chances for a ceasefire, Kerry tirelessly seeking a ceasefire, anchormen and women looking into the entrails of Palestinian victims for signs of an impending ceasefire…

Hamas has been trying in vain to hit Ben Gurion airport. Finally the debris of a rocket pulverized by the iron dome lands on a house in nearby Yehud and the FAA shows us how the United States of Obama “has Israel’s back.” A ban on flights, a stab in the back, another ceasefire pressure point. And reasonable people all over the world are saying the solution [to the “Mideast conflict”] is not military. Israel must make a sincere effort to negotiate with the moderate Abbas [president of a Fatah-Hamas unity government] to conclude the everyone-knows agreement, end the colonization, offer the Palestinians a proper state [from which they can really truly bomb Ben Gurion airport to their heart’s content.]

The only ceasefire possible with jihad warriors is a hudna. Its purpose is to extricate the mujahidin from an inconclusive foray, cut the losses, buy time to regroup and reinforce their offensive capacity and strike again the next time the iron is hot.

The al Dura blood libel unleashed murderous rage against Jews in the Diaspora. Here in France synagogues were burned, people and property were brutally attacked, Israel was dragged through the mud, murders were committed, and anti-Semitism (call it Jew hatred, Judeophobia, Koranic genocidal hatred) was denied. The Muslim killer of Sébastien Selam was “mentally disturbed,” 26 of the 27 jailers who tortured Ilan Halimi were misguided underprivileged youths, Mohamed Merah killed Muslims too, did Mehdi Nemmouche really target the Jewish museum of Brussels because it was Jewish…etc. Shahid [martyrdom] operations murdered more than a thousand civilians without provoking calls for a humanitarian ceasefire. The al Dura effect is Pavlovian: if a Palestinian child is killed it is exclusively the fault of Israeli cruelty, a war crime.

Today we have irrefutable concrete proof that Hamas, following Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, seized control of the Strip and constructed a border to border, above and underground, army base sheathed with a civilian protective shield. Gaza exists for the sole and unique purpose of exterminating the Jewish state of Israel.

Israel has the will and the means to defend itself. Consequently, after three days of defensive military action, the lethal narrative kicked in. Hamas disappeared. Nothing but Palestinians in Gaza. All civilians. Israeli combat victims were felled by three year-olds. No fighters in Gaza. And this “asymmetry” serves as an excuse for attacks against Jews throughout the Western world.

If North Korea attacked South Korea would Western journalists move into Pyongyang and deliver periodic news bulletins based on information supplied by North Korean sources? If South Korea had the will and the means to liberate the population of the open-air death camp to the north, would the UN demand an immediate ceasefire?  

Breaking news: the prime minister announces that the government has decided to ban the “pro-Palestinian” demonstration scheduled for Saturday. The organizers, including the NPA [anti-capitalists], the PCF [Communists], les Indigènes de la République [virulent ethnic diversity party], are furious. They predict/promise violent incidents in reaction to this “unjustified” repression of their right to demonstrate solidarity with the Palestinians.

A 19 year-old Jewish boy was attacked by a gang of 15 wannabe Jew-killers in Bobigny. They said “we’re going to give you what Ilan Halimi got.” There is reportedly a kill-the-Jews Facebook group that fishes for profiles of Jews and then stalks them.

When I hear the word “ceasefire” I draw my weapon—the written word. When I hear the hysterical demands for a ceasefire, I whisper am yisroel chai. The Jew-haters went too far. Jews are united, people who want to be free know where to place their bets.

The tide has turned.

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Posted on 07/25/2014 12:03 PM by Nidra Poller
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Here.

For as anyone can see, watching the news, Gaza consists of cities, with cars, and stores, and cell phones, with the usual Arab Muslim squalor. But these are not real refugee camps anywhere in Gaza, but cities. In Gaza, there aren't the tent cities of  refugees in East Africa, by the millions. Nor are they the tent cities of the Iraqi refugees, many of them Christians and other minorities, fleeing Sunni Arab persecution and settling in the one place -- because non-Arab -- in Iraq where they can be safe, that is the northern, Kurdish-ruled-and-populated enclave.

And the other thing you soon notice is that this quoted Arab, with "his eight children," or that one, over there, with his "eleven children," or that one, who has been placed carefully before the cameras, with his "thirteen children" -- Gaza has the highest birthrate in the world, and 50% of the population is under the age of 14. And all of these people, breeding heedlessly, know that they are on the permanent dole of UNRWA, which is essentially run of, by,and for Arabs, and at the top, has a few Westerners, deeply anti-Israel (with Chris Gunness, who has a long history, acting as the official spokesman of this U.N., and to some therefore "neutral," group) continue to have children, while we in the West hold back, consider the costs, limit the size of our families even as Muslims everywhere outbreed every non-Muslim people, Christian or Jew, Hindu or Buddhist, among whom they may live, but whose land they regard as rightfully, in the end, belonging to them, the Muslims, as "the best of peoples," and to Allah, to whom the whole world belongs.

The Arabs of Gaza live better than the average Egyptian, or the average Yemeni. But that's apparently not good enough for them. They think it is their right to be supported, and to live in a style to which neither the land's resources, nor their own abilities, or industry, entitles them. The natural condition of Muslim Arab societies without oil or gas revenues -- Qatar, Kuwait, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and so on are prosperous, or fantastically rich, only because of thoes revenues -- is Yemen, is Egypt. Why should Gazan Arabs be permitted to think that the West owes them a living, and what's more, owes them a llving even as they have shown that they put their money into weapons and a series of tunnels, and then breed, breed, breed, heedlessly or perhaps deliberately, in order to create more Muslims for the non-Muslim world to support. This can't go on.

If Gaza expects, too, the Israelis to ever again allow in large amounts of concrete -- we've seen the use of concrete in those tunnels -- or to continue to supply Gaza with half of its electricity, then they have, or at least one hopes they have, another think coming. It's absurd. What Gazans expect and demand, and what real refugees, by the tens of millions, even in the Middle East itself, get, are very differrent. Let the tap be turned off. Or if nasty little Qatar wants to take a few tens of millions or hundreds of  millions from its unmerited trillions, to support Gazan Arabs, let them. Let Gaza be the project for those rich Arabs. They can well afford that, and a lot more. .

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Posted on 07/25/2014 10:34 AM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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We are getting to the end of visioning
The impossible within this universe,
Such as that better whiles may follow worse,
And that our race may mend by reasoning.

We know that even as larks in cages sing
Unthoughtful of deliverance from the curse
That holds them lifelong in a latticed hearse,
We ply spasmodically our pleasuring.

And that when nations set them to lay waste
Their neighbours' heritage by foot and horse,
And hack their pleasant plains in festering seams,
They may again, - not warily, or from taste,
But tickled mad by some demonic force. -
Yes. We are getting to the end of dreams!

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Posted on 07/25/2014 8:40 AM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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Friday, 25 July 2014
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Richard Littlejohn on the "We Are All Hamas" people.

Here.

In a few places, he makes the standard remarks about deploring the deaths and crimes "on both sides." I allow myself to believe he does this only formulaically, without really meaning it. As for what "anyone having a shred of human decency" must think and feel at the sight of those"innocent civilian" victims  -- I read that, and thought to myself: Tiens! All these years I've thought I had a shred of human decency, and it turns out I don't. Oh well.

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Posted on 07/25/2014 8:00 AM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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Here.
 

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Posted on 07/25/2014 7:39 AM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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From the Telegraph

The 2009 "underpants bomb" plot failed because the terrorist had been wearing his explosive-laden undergarments for more than two weeks and soiled the explosives, a senior US official said.

Umar Abdulmutallab sent shockwaves through US intelligence when he successfully smuggled a bomb onto a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas day three years ago. The British-educated Nigerian was able to light the bomb but it failed to explode, causing minor burns to the would-be bomber but sparing his fellow passengers. 

John Pistole, the head of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), said on Thursday that the bomb did not detonate because Abdulmutallab had been wearing the same underwear for more than two weeks."He had it with him for over two weeks," Mr Pistole said at the Aspen Security Forum. Asked by his interviewer whether the bomb's fuse had become "damp" from two weeks of wear, Mr Pistole said: "Let's say it was degraded. We're getting kind of personal now." 

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Posted on 07/25/2014 4:03 AM by Esmerelda Weatherwax
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From the Guardian

Islamic State (Isis) militants have blown up a revered Muslim shrine traditionally said to be the burial place of the prophet Jonah in Mosul, residents of the city said.

The mosque was built on an archaeological site dating back to the eighth century BC and is said to be the burial place of the prophet, who in stories from both the Bible and Qur'an is swallowed by a whale.

It was renovated in the 1990s under Iraq's late dictator Saddam Hussein and until the recent blitz by Isis that engulfed Mosul, remained a popular destination for religious pilgrims from around the world.

Several nearby houses were also damaged by the blast, said the residents, speaking on condition of anonymity because they feared for their own safety.

The residents told AP that the militants claimed the mosque had become a place for apostasy, not prayer. The extremists also blew up another place of worship nearby on Thursday, the Imam Aoun Bin al-Hassan mosque, they said.

Elsewhere in the Guardian ISIS denys ordering FGM on 4 million women in the Mosul area.

Jihadi extremists who have taken over the Iraqi city of Mosul have denied ordering families to have their daughters undergo female genital mutilation in order to prevent "immorality" or face severe punishment, as claimed by a senior UN humanitarian official on Thursday.

Supporters of the Islamic State (Isis), previously known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, dismissed the story as propaganda based on a fake document – though residents of Mosul, as well as Kurdish officials, insisted it was true.

Reports about the issue have been circulating in Iraqi media for the past few days. On Wednesday a Kurdish website, BasNews, reported that the fatwa had been issued by the self-proclaimed "Caliph" of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as a "gift" to the people of Mosul. BasNews said on Thursday that it stood by its story. "Of course Isis would deny this," the editor, Hawar Abdulrazaq, told the Guardian.

Ahmed Obaydi, a spokesman for Mosul police, told BasNews: "Baghdadi's decision to have all women circumcised is, as he claims, to prevent immorality and promote Islamic attitudes among Muslims. The decision was made by Baghdadi as a 'gift' for people in Mosul." But Mohammed, a local journalist, told the Guardian he knew no one who had been told by Isis that their female relatives should undergo FGM. "This is mainly media hype with no substance," he said.

Isis supporters quickly dismissed the story as a hoax. They were not that quick - yesterday ISIS was not available for comment.

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Posted on 07/25/2014 2:01 AM by Esmerelda Weatherwax
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Thursday, 24 July 2014
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Israeli Givati Brigade Soldier at entrance of Hamas tunnel, July 23, 2014
Source: IDF Spokesperson/FLASH90

The ground incursion by the IDF into Gaza that began on July 16th was triggered by the emergence of 13 Hamas commandos from a tunnel underneath the Gaza Israel frontier. They were detected by an armed IAF drone and quickly dispatched by a missile strike scattering both survivors and equipment near the opening of the tunnel. 17 days into the tough slog of the ground phase with 33 IDF soldiers fallen, including two Americans, more than 35 tunnels have been uncovered. A number of these were found to have entrances in homes, schools, apartment buildings and mosques. The Givati brigade has been assigned the dangerous tasks of inspecting these tunnels. After sending in small tactical robots detecting booby traps, the tunnels are destroyed. 

However, the obvious question is why was the IDF caught flat footed by the enormity of the Hamas tunnel network when there were means available to map them? Despite their being excavated more than 25 meters below the surface.  

Sheera Frenkel, Buzzfeed’s correspondent in Israel reported this comment:

Israeli military officers described an “underground city” in Shujayeh, made up of a labyrinth of tunnels in which Israeli soldiers clashed with Hamas fighters.

“Even with the intelligence the Israeli military keeps on Gaza, they were caught by surprise at the extent of what they found below ground,” said Amir Bohbot, a military affairs correspondent with Walla, a news site. “There were traps, explosives everywhere. There is no way for them to continue their operation without taking the risks of even heavier casualties.”

A source in Jerusalem told us this week that Tzahal was jarred  by the extent of the tunnels under the Gaza Israel frontier, and the purpose. Dan Diker, Executive Producer for the Voice of Israel sent my colleague Lisa Benson this chilling email message:

The news here is that Hamas was planning a doomsday mega attack for Rosh Hashanah, Sending hundreds , HUNDREDS OF Hamas Suicide commandoes via the underground terror tunnel networks to conquer Israeli towns and cities. This was planned to be  the equivalent of five 911’s .

That is the meaning of the tunnel threat. It is the most serious strategic threat Israel has faced since the 1973 war. The failed conception is also notable as there is a real question as to whether the intelligence echelons recognized the seriousness of the threat.

The Three Kidnapped and murdered teens saved Israel literally by mobilizing the IDF and public opinion to fight Hamas. We were saved by the skin of our teeth from strategic disaster. 

But should Tzahal  have been surprised by this news?  A noted Israel geologist was cited in a Telegraph U.K. article complaining that the tunnel threat had been overlooked by the Israeli Ministry of Defense:

"For 10 years I've been crying and screaming to the highest possible levels - to the Defense Ministry, the chief of staff, the commanding officers of southern and northern command," Dr Joseph Langotsky, an Israeli geologist who has long advocated greater attention to the issue of the tunnels, said in an interview with the Jerusalem Post.

"Although the tunnels are a low-tech option, they might be a strategic threat to our security," said Dr Langotsky.

The heavily fortified areas of southern Lebanon that the IDF encountered in the 2006 Lebanon War should have raised alarm bells. Hezbollah with the alleged technical assistance of Iranian Quds Force engineers had prepared tunnels connecting command and control centers in villages, rocket launching areas, armories and firing positions.  Moreover, there were rumors that  Hezbollah with the aid of Iran and possibly North Korea had also dug tunnels underneath the northern frontier of Lebanon and Israel.

Ilana Freedman, veteran intelligence analys, raised the issue of the threat of tunnels crossing the Lebanon Israel frontier. The IDF was warned about the Hezbollah tunnels as early as April 2010, including a large tunnel which was being constructed from southern Lebanon to central Haifa. They were also informed of a number of small bore tunnels that were being built, to emerge in northern Israeli towns and kibbutzim. These were designed for Hezbollah's child warriors who would be sent heavily armed and would be instructed to fire on anyone they see once they emerge in these towns. This information came from eye-witness sources in southern Lebanon.

When the Givati brigade went into Gaza during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009, they also encountered tunnels. The tunnels uncovered by Golani and Givati brigades in the current Operation Protective Edge were well prepared with concrete, steel reinforced with lighting and ventilation. A few were even large enough to accommodate trucks. The longest one discovered was over 2.5 kilometers in length. The average cost of the tunnels was estimated at $1 million each. It appears that the Hamas tunnel networks in Gaza may have expertly planned and executed using the Hezbollah playbook, possibly with both Hezbollah and Quds Force assistance.

When the eight day Operation Pillar of Defense ended on November 21, 2012, a cease fire was brokered by the former Egyptian President Morsi, a supporter of Hamas. The Obama Administration pressured the Netanyahu government to permit the delivery of cement and steel for the reconstruction of Gaza. Jerusalem had objected to the demands of Washington suspecting that the delivery of the materials to Gaza would be used for military purposes. Given what has been uncovered, those suspicions have been confirmed. Qatar put up more than $405 million for the alleged reconstruction of destroyed areas of Gaza. Those funds may have been substantially diverted for purchase of equipment and materials to construct the tunnel network.

The Telegraph U.K, article disclosed that the Israeli Ministry of Defense was working on the tunnel problem.  However, the means of detecting them would not be available until after the current conflict, “Israel tests hi-tech tunnel detection system to fight threat from underground.”  The report noted:

In a bid to find a solution, the IDF's elite Talpiot unit has been working on developing a tunnel detection system which was tested in Tel Aviv. Its costs are estimated to be $59 million.

"The high-tech system, which uses special sensors and transmitters, is still in its R&D phase, and if all goes well, should be operational within a year", notes a report on Israel's I-24 news.

The most common type of technology for tracking down tunnels is focused on listening for sounds of digging, notes Inbal Orpaz in the Israeli daily Ha’aretz.

Another Israeli company, Magna, already provides defense systems for the Israel-Egypt border. It proposed digging a 70-km tunnel along the Israel-Gaza border, equipped with a sensitive alert system.

This "will provide real-time alerts of any tunnel digging that crosses our tunnel, whether above or below it. The IDF will know exactly where the attack tunnel is and how many people are in it, and can monitor the progress of digging it in real time, and decide how to respond to the threat," the company's founder and CEO Haim Siboni told Israel's Globes publication.

An interview with a Canadian expert in Start –Up Israel reveals that Israel may have already had the means of mapping the tunnels, IDF ‘didn’t follow up’ on MRI-style, below-surface technology to find tunnels”

Paul Bauman, a Canadian who is one of the world’s foremost experts on discovering underground tunnels and voids, insists that the technology exists and has been used in the US, Canada, Korea, and other places. “We actually did some work with the IDF some years ago, showing them how the technology we’ve developed works,” Bauman told The Times of Israel in an interview. “They were interested, but there was no follow-up. Why, I couldn’t say.”

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Had the army worked with Bauman, using the sophisticated methods he has developed and successfully employed over the past decade, things might have been different. While there is no foolproof, single tech solution to discovering tunnels, a combination of several techniques — radar, tomography, and seismic measuring — could give Israel a technological advantage over Hamas, creating a map of what is happening under the surface, and making it much easier to find tunnels and the terrorists who dig them.

Bauman noted  the off the shelf technology that might have been used for detection and mapping of the tunnels:

It was on one of his exploration trips to Israel that Bauman showed the IDF some of the techniques it could use to discover underground tunnels. At the time, after another Gaza flare-up, Operation Cast Lead in 2009, a Teknion team led by researchers Dr. Raphael Linker and Dr. Assaf Klar were developing a system that uses a fiber optic cable buried one or two meters beneath the surface to detect underground movement. The system builds what is essentially an underground fence using BOTDR (Brillouin optical time-domain reflectometry) technology, which measures the stress on the cable underground.

The amount of stress may be very small, the team said, and its research shows that even small levels of deformation can be detected, making the system perfect for keeping tabs on tunnel builders. The cable is cheap, and as much as 30 kilometers of the border can be monitored simultaneously using one device. It’s not clear if the IDF considered that system as well, and in an email this week, Linker said that the system is still under development.

Also considered was ground penetrating radar:

Much better, than an Israeli concept of building a moat around Gaza, polluting the ground aquifer,  Bauman said, would be a technique like underground radar to find tunnels. “Israel has been very interested in this, and Israeli companies are working on underground radar systems,” said Bauman. “In an underground radar system, you aim the wave down below the ground, and when you get back a signal that is an anomaly — indicating that there is something different about the area you just checked than other areas — you know you’ve found something worth investigating.”

There are limitations to the system, though. “Depending on the frequency of the radar wave, you can have a system that can ‘see’ as far down as 100 meters, but at low resolution, or just 10 meters at a better resolution,” Bauman said. Radar could be very useful in discovering larger concrete tunnels, which have metal rebar in them — concrete and metal being much denser than the gypsum and salt-rich soil around the Gaza border — but not for the simpler, smaller wood-reinforced tunnels.

If the warnings and advices of Israeli geologist Dr. Langotsky and Canadian researcher Bauman had been heeded then could the surge in IDF casualties been avoided?  That is unfortunately past history. The issue before the IDF ground commanders is how most efficiently to destroy those tunnels that are encountered. Some experts have suggested use of Fuel Air Explosives (FAE). Russia’s Putin authorized used of FAE weapons against Chechen Islamists extremists when the provincial capital of Grozny (terrible in Russian) was virtually flattened in 2002.  Others recall napalm used to clear out tunnels on the Island of Iwo Jima from which suicide Imperial Japanese forces would sally forth to inflict heavy casualties on US Marines and soldiers. Perhaps this comment in the Buzzfeed article from an Israel Intelligence officer best sums up the military campaign that the IDF is waging against another group of fortified fanatics this time in Gaza:

‘“We are no longer looking at just dismantling the tunnel network [from Gaza to Israel]. The goals of Operation Defensive Edge are now to cripple Hamas so they will not be able to strike us again in a few years,” said the officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity. He also told Buzzfeed that Israel’s military was now preparing a timeline for its offensive in Gaza that could go on for “several weeks” and see the Israeli military create a “buffer zone” up to a mile into Gaza.

“We may suffer heavy losses doing this, but their losses will be heavier, I can assure you,” said the officer.


 

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The endless boatloads of people from North Africa, and the Middle East, and sub-Saharan Africa, have to be stopped, turned around, sent back. Europe is not waving to them, but drowning.

Andrew Bolt, on the proposal by one Pamela Kerr, for Australia to take in more refugees, to "be like Italy." And even Italy doesn't want "to be like Italy," that is Italy as it is besieged today by invaders (for not all invaders carry arms). Italy wants the EU, and NATO, to blockade all boats arriving with these people at Lampedusa, or on the coast of Sicily, or somewhere on the Boot, so that Italy can then still be....Italy.

Here.

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Posted on 07/24/2014 10:33 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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"Do you have money? Yes! Yes!"[literally: "Is there money? There is! There is!"] is a famous Soviet-era song,  from the best-known scene, in themost famous Azerbaijani movie produced in the Soviet Union.

Watch, and listen, here.

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"These are evil people; these are sick people."--first sentence in Notes From The Gazan Underground (Zapiski iz podpol'ya v Gaze).

Those tunnels with no conceivable light at the end of them, here.

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Non, Genefou, ce que je vous confirme, c'est ce que tout le monde sait, y compris Marine Le Pen qui le dit régulièrement sans que vous et d'autres ne veuillent s'en apercevoir : que la question sociale est un comburant à la question identitaire qui, elle, est le véritable carburant de la fournaise qui nous fonce tous dessus...

Ce n'est pas parce que certains privilégiés, par tempérament plus que par condition, s'exonèrent de certains questionnements ou abandonnent individuellement l'engagement vis à vis de problématiques qui relèvent de lignes de forces historiques, géostratégiques et civilisationnelles fondamentales, que le fond des problèmes et les tensions qu'ils génèrent n'existerait que dans le cerveau sensément mal meublé et apeuré des classes inférieures socialement fragiles et sensément intellectuellement manipulables... qui se prennent pourtant leur effets en pleine poire...!

Intéressez vous à l'identité et au niveau d’éducation des terroristes les plus meurtriers des deux dernières décennies, y compris les kamikazes, et vous verrez qu'ils n'étaient , pour beaucoup d'entre eux, ni indigents, ni incultes...à commencer par Ben Laden et Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Intéressez vous au niveau socio culturel de beaucoup des colons israéliens radicaux qui tirent la politique de leur pays vers une ligne intransigeante...la plupart sont au moins aussi diplômés que vous...

vous, vous pensez sage de botter en touche quand ça chauffe et de penser que tous les problèmes du monde peuvent se résoudre avec du bon sens et de la bonne volonté , dans une atmosphère cosy et policée autour d'un thé à la menthe œcuménique, ...pas eux !

De toute manière, ceux qui croient qu'en rajoutant 500 euros aux minimas sociaux et en menant des générations entières à un niveau théorique d'études universitaire , en se débrouillant par je ne sais quel miracle pour refiler un job, un frigo américain et le dernier i phone à chaque être humain on aura accompli l'essentiel pour faire raccourcir les barbes, dégager la tête des femmes ou faire disparaître le racisme ou les fanatismes de toute farine n'ont qu'à aller faire un tour en Arabie Saoudite, au Qatar, ou même en Malaisie..., au Brésil ou en Afrique du Sud encore aujourd'hui, pour avoir une idée un peu plus juste de la réalité humaine.

Si vous pensez détenir la martingale en décrétant, comme la gauche radicale, que tout conflit est de nature sociale, j'ai une mauvaise nouvelle pour vous : C'est faux !

c'est faux parce qu'aucune société n'est si parfaite qu'elle soit jamais capable de produire l’homogénéité de situation et l'égalité parfaite entre les hommes.
Il y aura donc toujours des insatisfactions et des tensions liées aux questions sociales c'est une chose entendue ; mais les humains ne se définissent pas uniquement par rapport à ça et je m'étonne qu'autant de gens sensément cultivés fassent semblant de l'ignorer...

Dans sa vie un homme, qu'elle que soit son éducation de base, peut avoir plusieurs professions et sa fortune et sa condition sociale peuvent varier...; mais en général il n'a initialement qu'une origine, qu'une nationalité, qu'une culture et s'il est croyant...qu'une religion !
personnellement, je connais peu ou pas de gens qui seraient capables de se définir, de définir leur être, leur identité et leur vision du monde en disant simplement :
"bonjour, je suis un plombier...ou comptable...ou physicien"..., universitaire...!
c'est trop réducteur, et cela ne correspond paradoxalement qu'à la vision utilitaire ultralibérale qui traite les hommes comme des coquilles ne comptant que pour la valeur économique de leur compétence professionnelle et leur pouvoir de consommation ...; ce n'est pas si simple.
l'humain se définit aussi par rapport à une explication spécifique du monde et à un ensemble de codes sociaux et éthiques collectifs qui forment son identité , bien plus que sa carte professionnelle ou son n° de sécurité sociale.

alors, introduisez une forte tension et une forte insécurité sur le plan économique et social et vous aurez des troubles , voir des révolutions qui finiront par toucher tout le monde...; ça c'est le lot commun de toutes les sociétés organisées du monde ...;
...mais ajoutez , en plus, une forte dose d'insécurité identitaire , culturelle et, pire...religieuse...et là...vous avez à coup sur des guerres civiles et des massacres qui n’épargneront personne non plus, et ça , c'est le lot merveilleux des états pluri-nationaux, multi-confessionnels et du "multikulti" au forceps...!!!

Et ce n'est parce que certains ont décidé que ça ne pouvait pas les atteindre parce qu'indigne d'eux et de leur identité d'essence "supérieure" que ça n'existe pas.

je vous souhaite donc de pouvoir toujours garder vos pieds au sec...

 

Bonjour,

Ce jeudi matin ,France-Culture désigne "l'agression "d'Israêl à Gaza.
Il suffit d'un défilé dans les rues de Paris des islamo-gauchistes pour inverser la réalité des faits : Israël, en proie à une guerre arabe d'extermination , est sommée de surseoir à sa sécurité et d'arrêter sa défense.

Pression de la rue, pression médiatique, pression gouvernementale, pression internationale, guerre des opinions manipulées. Israël bouc émissaire , comme d'habitude.

Si vous avez observé la manifestation réussie à Paris , vous avez pu constaté un certain nombre de choses:
- le nombre : évaluation basse (police) 14 000, et haute (organisateurs) 25 000.
c'est à dire moins de 20 000 en réalité, nombre en baisse sur les évaluations de IR évaluations rappelées sur ce blog par un internaute , relayant un édito d'antan.
succès "limité" selon le nombre qui n'évolue pas.
- les forces de l'ordre : police et CRS déployés, et c'est dommage de déplacer autant d'effectifs pour la gôche bisounours. Pendant ce temps là, la délinquance , elle profite au maximum des troubles.
- les manifestants ; des perroquets classiques ; syndicats, partis de gauche, des révolutionnaires de pancartes RESISTANCE, des arabo-musulmans enturbannés Hamas , des jeunes planétarisés, des solidaires bisounours, des multiculturels quoi;
rien de nouveau.
- le service d'ordre d'encadrement de la CGT : une grande pratique dont je m'interroge sur une performance, qui risque de rester son seul succès utile de l'année.
- une violence sous-jacente perceptible : des ordres ont été donnés et cela se voit : donc pourquoi pas avant , pourquoi avoir "laché" des hordes haineuses anti-juives dans Paris , sans les paroles de modération respectant les personnes et les biens ?
- des incidents limités aux insultes : dans un restaurant cascher; quelques casseurs frustrés mais une "minorité inacceptable"

Et qui défend les Chrétiens de Mossoul? les plus proches du berceau araméen des origines du christianime, victime du Califat nouveau qui vient de s'auto-proclamer?
Un témoignage d'Irak tend à nous rassurer : tous les musulmans ne seraient pas sanguinaires et purificateurs ethniques : les morts du califat, d'Irak, de Syrie ou en Iran, les restrictions de liberté ne plaident pas en faveur d'un acte valable mais isolé dans une mare sanglante.
Mossoul, Israël, France, des combats , ouverts ou encore feutrés mais de même tendance : la volonté de conquête des uns contre les terres et biens des autres.

Faire face comment?
JAC parlait d'un "soutien dérisoire à Israël": aucun soutien n'est dérisoire comme aucun acte délinquant n'est à prendre à la légère.
Si de plus, comme je le constate, beaucoup d'internautes font état de leur Foi, je ne comprends pas ce manque de fiance envers leur propre divinité. Votre grande divinité serait-elle sourde?
Donc, munissez -vous de courage et avançons.

Comment s'y prennent les Palestiniens ?
Beaucoup de simulation victimaire, des tunnels souterrains, des utilisations criminelles de boucliers humains, des soutiens financiers multiples, des procédures internationales, des médias sous contrôle etc....

Pourquoi ne pas utiliser ces techniques tactiques?

En ce moment le nouveau jeu est de présenter Israël comme un "criminel de guerre" et d'ailleurs il vous est montré -juré, craché, promis- de petites flèches qui PROUVENT bien qu'ils utilisent des armes non-conventionnelles, voire chimiques.
Et toc plainte à l'ONU présentée par des états arabes....qui depuis 66 ans refusent la liberté de vivre en paix à Israël, alors que : les territoires et états sont là, les finances sont là , la cohérence de l'origine, religion, langue etc...tout est là.
Et c'est l'UE qui paie tout l'administratif de ces palestiniens guerriers , victimes de leurs propres politiciens.
L'opinion commence à peine à comprendre l'astuce arabo-musulmane et le vrai danger pour la France et l'Europe, qui dure depuis toujours : voir Molière et le Bourgeois Gentilhomme, avec ses ballets des turcs Mamammouchis irrésistibles.
Les palestiniens aujourd'hui et les Turcs, et tutti quanti; une histoire sans fin, dont l'issue dépend du laxisme ou du courage des politiciens comme des populations : se laisser faire, baisser les bras ou réagir, comme IR.
Mais pitié : les "marches blanches avec rose à ka main", les pancartes à 2 sous, les pétitions mort-nées , les sit-in risquent d'être dépassées : du lobbyng, et des états qui imposent leurs positions de droit.
Avec la gauche ?

Bonne journée

 

L’ "hôpital" al Wafa

Tsahal a procédé aujourd’hui à la destruction de l’hôpital al Wafa (le fidèle) dans le quartier de Shuja’iyya.

Comme on peut s’en convaincre en consultant le lien de Tsahal (voir en fin de commentaire), l’Armée israélienne s’est d’abord assurée qu’il n’y avait pas de patients ni de personnel médical dans le bâtiment. Les soldats ont échangé plusieurs conversations téléphoniques avec des responsables médicaux de Gaza dans ce sens.

L’hôpital était en fait le poste de commandement général du quartier de Shuja’iyya, dans lequel 100 000 personnes vivaient avant la guerre. Les miliciens effectuaient des observations depuis ses étages supérieures.

Le bâtiment était relié au réseau de tunnels permettant le déplacement et la communication des milices.

L’hôpital servait également de site de lancement de roquettes en direction du territoire israélien. Les miliciens islamistes, armés, ne se déplaçaient qu’en ambulances lorsqu’ils étaient contraints d’utiliser les voies de surface.

Tout cela était connu de l’Armée de Défense d’Israël, mais les soldats furent toutefois surpris en constatant l’intensité des "explosions secondaires" après la destruction de l’édifice ; celles-ci ont témoigné de l’existence d’un énorme stock de munitions que le Hamas avait dissimulé dans les soubassements de l’hôpital.

http://www.menapress.org/

http://videoidf.co.il/8059-EN.mp4

Notes : On peut observer ces explosions secondaires sur le document de Tsahal. La quantité d’explosifs entreposés était si importante que l’incendie continue de faire rage, et la fumée de recouvrir le paysage, plusieurs heures après l’attaque.

Comme j'aimerais moi aussi chausser des lunettes bisounours qui au vert et noir substituraient un rose 'barbie'...
Je n'enlève ni n'ajoute une seule phrase à votre excellent commentaire.

Juste un éclairage à destination de monsieur Genefou aussi.
Je suis en relation professionelle avec des partenaires au Maroc et en Tunisie, des musulmans faut-il le préciser ? Des musulmanes... sans voile aussi... Tous et toutes éduqués à un niveau supérieur...

Ceux-ci :

1. répètent à l'envie qu'ils ne comprennent pas le laxisme dont nous faisons preuve vis-à-vis de l'activisme musulman (et pas qu'islamiste) qu'ils combattent eux-mêmes courageusement. Dans le laxisme, il incluent notre générosité 'sociale', abusive selon eux.

2. seraient heureux que nous soutenions mieux les forces démocratiques et modernistes dans le monde arabe. Ils se méfient très fort de ceux qui prêchent le relativisme des traditions à l'instar de qui vous savez.

Vous dire que ces gens issus de la culture musulmane sont majoritaires, bien sûr que non. Cependant, en bon jardinier, j'aime à penser qu'il faut arroser les jeunes pousses et en prendre soin contre les assauts des limaces et autres prédateurs.

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The culture of death and destruction, here.

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Richard Kemp Analysis: The war crimes have been committed by Hamas

By Richard Kemp, July 24, 2014
 
Tears in Gaza: a Palestinian girl weeps during the funeral of her brother who was killed during a raid by the Israeli Air force this week (Photo: Getty Images)

Tears in Gaza: a Palestinian girl weeps during the funeral of her brother who was killed during a raid by the Israeli Air force this week (Photo: Getty Images)

No decent person could remain unmoved by the images of children bleeding in the street and dead babies on the mortuary slab. I have seen such sights in the flesh and feel the horror as much as anybody.

The deaths of these children and of innocent men and women is nothing short of a war crime. But contrary to the distorted views pedalled by Hamas supporters, media commentators, human rights groups and political leaders, it is not a war crime perpetrated by Israel but by Hamas.

Hamas started this war by missile attacks against Israeli civilians. They have specifically targeted a nuclear installation and fired at Ben Gurion international airport prompting airlines to suspend flights in and out.

Some have called these rockets fireworks. Last week I visited a house in Ashkelon that had taken a direct hit one hour before. The terrified 17-year-old girl who was at home told me she made it to the internal shelter with seconds to spare. If she had not she would certainly have been killed by blast, shrapnel, debris or lethal shards of flying glass.

Israel had no choice but to react to this as it did. No country in the world would sit back and take this unprovoked, lethal aggression against its civilians and its critical infrastructure.

As he rightly launched drone strikes against Islamist terrorists among the civilian population in the Pakistan tribal areas, President Obama told Israel to take greater steps to protect the lives of civilians. His words have been echoed in the UN and in capitals around the world — including London. But no-one has said what those greater steps should be. That is because Israel has been doing everything possible to minimize loss of civilian life, short of sitting back and allowing Hamas to terrorise its civilians with impunity.

Comments such as Obama’s, as well as Ban Ki Moon’s recent characterization of IDF operations as atrocities, play into the hands of Hamas. Hamas’s main reason for using human shields is not to protect their military installations but to force the IDF to kill innocent civilians.

Described by Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard as the ‘dead baby strategy’, the intention is to compel world leaders to repudiate Israel’s action and bring about unendurable international diplomatic pressure. A key element of the strategy is to stir up anti-Israel hatred among western populations. We have seen this manifested in recent days with mass protests in Europe’s capital cities.

Those who condemn Israel’s necessary and just war give succour to Hamas, a proscribed terrorist group. They encourage Hamas to keep fighting and to continue using human shields. They encourage extremists everywhere to follow this murderous policy. And such encouragement leads to further loss of innocent lives.

Firing rockets at civilians and using human shields are not the only war crimes Hamas have committed and planned. They have used protected locations and vehicles — schools, mosques, hospitals, ambulances — to store munitions and facilitate attacks.

They have constructed attack tunnels to massacre civilians and equipped them to abduct, drug and bind innocent Israelis. They have breached agreed humanitarian cease-fires intended to bring respite and relief to their suffering civilians.

Though not specifically a war crime, Hamas have also been using child “soldiers” to attack IDF troops. These tactics are only too familiar to British soldiers because they are used extensively by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Israel’s responses have been lawful under the Geneva Conventions. Every IDF air attack is designed to destroy military objectives while minimizing civilian casualties. But with Hamas’s way of fighting, such casualties, tragically, are unavoidable.

Hamas have learnt many lessons from their defeat in the two previous Israeli operations in Gaza. They are better at concealing their rocket launchers and have developed a vast complex of concrete lined underground tunnels using resources that could have been spent on alleviating the plight of their hapless civilian population.

These tunnels protect their munitions from air attack and allow rockets and launchers to be moved about the battlefield immune from air attack. Their commanders also skulk underground while their fighters and civilians die in the mayhem above.

Because of this, only so much can be achieved from the air. The current Israeli ground assault is restricted to locating, clearing and destroying attack tunnels that threaten civilians across the border. If Hamas do not agree to cease their rocket fire, the IDF may well have to expand the operation to take on the network of rocket launchers and command bunkers deep inside the Gaza Strip.

I have spent time in the last week speaking to IDF soldiers on the Gaza border. Their job is extremely dangerous and they know it. Yet, like their British counterparts whom they so closely resemble, every one was stoical, good-humoured and ready to close with the enemy to defend their families at home.

I pay tribute to the more than 30 soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice. They have made the greatest contribution to their country that is possible. We owe them our support. Not just out of respect for their courage and sacrifice but because their war is our war, too. They are fighting the 21st century scourge of Islamist terrorism at democracy’s front line.

Col Richard Kemp was Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan

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Posted on 07/24/2014 2:43 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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Now, assuming that we truly wish to succeed, what kind of mile must we go?

That extra.

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Posted on 07/24/2014 2:31 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
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 UPDATE 2-Rival Libyan militias clash in Tripoli, Benghazi

Reuters-12 minutes ago

. * Libya sees fiercest clashes since fall of Gaddafi. * Shelling continues in Tripoli. * Benghazi .

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