As reported by our reliably and enthusiastically Islamophile ABC, this morning.
Have none of these people - so naive, so well-meaning, so endlessly gullible - done their homework? Have none of them ever sat down to read the classic English translations of Al Tabari, or the translations of the canonical "Life" of Mohammed, or even just the Quran...let alone the Hadiths, all available these days online in English? Have none of them ever exerted themselves to pay attention to any of the many intelligent and articulate apostates from Islam? - Magdi Cristiano Allam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark Gabriel, Daniel Shayesteh, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq (author of "Leaving Islam" and "Why I am Not a Muslim"), Ali Sina, Nonie Darwish (author of "Cruel and Usual Punishment", a study of sharia and how it works), Patrick Sookhdeo (author of "Faith, Power and Territory" and "Freedom to Believe: Challenging Islam's Apostasy Law") and Sam Solomon, author of "The Mosque and Its Role in Society" and "Al Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration"?? Or even, since many of them are Christian, the many personal testimonies of a more popular sort, for example, Hannah Shah's "The Imam's Daughter", Bilquis Sheikh's "I Dared to Call Him Father", and Sister Gulshan Esther's "The Torn Veil"? - in all of which, we discover what is likely to happen when a Muslim person leaves Islam and converts to Christianity...to wit, that person will find themselves in mortal danger even from their nearest and dearest. Don't any of them, if they do know about the Islamic rule of "death for apostasy", ever stop to consider that the proudly card-carrying badge-wearing members of an Organisation whose blueprint includes such a rule - a rule that is not at all a dead letter, a rule that is active right now, as evidenced by the appalling maltreatment of Mrs Daniel Wani nee Meriam Ibrahim, in the Sudan, of late - might not always be the sweet little innocent gambolling lambs that they claim to be?
First up, Andree Withey and Leonie Mellor reporting on some Christians who are rushing to protect and "stand with" the poor persecuted Muslims in Australia...even while it is appearing more and more likely that the entirety of Iraq's remaining indigenous Christians, its last living link with its pre-Islamic history and culture, will be driven out - or else exterminated - by those scrupulous to-the-letter imitators of Mohammed, the Islamic State jihadis, assisted in many instances by Mohammed's willing executioners, the vast majority of those Iraqi Christians' Muslim neighbours.
"Brisbane mosque service brings Christian and Muslim leaders together".
'Christian and Muslim communities have taken part in an interfaith service at a mosque in Brisbane's south to condemn religious violence.
Did they condemn the maltreatment of Copts in Egypt, Christians and Hindus in Pakistan, Christians in Iraq? - CM
'More than 20 Anglican, Baptist, Catholic and Uniting Church leaders joined Muslim leaders at Kuraby mosque (in the southern suburbs of Brisbane - CM) to make a public stand against intolerance.
Oh, it is so intolerant of the Australian authorities, to heed that tip from the FBI and investigate and then arrest a Muslim man in Melbourne who was sending money to Islamic State, to fund the jihad...that jihad which is decimating Yazidis and Christians, as well as other-sect Muslims! Oh, it was so intolerant of the Australian authorities to attempt to disrupt that plot to seize and ritually behead Australian infidels! Oh, it was so wickedly intolerant of those Aussie policemen to shoot and kill the frenzied Muslim man who had just stabbed them multiple times and came near to murdering one of them! The intolerance! The bigotry! Shocking! And how intolerant of the general Aussie public - those who still possess a basic sense of self-preservation - to dare to engage in what might be called "pattern recognition" and look askance, therefore,at those who strut down our streets in what might be called "Muslim gang colours".
Note: I do not condone vigilante-type violence against Muslim persons and property, here in Australia.
But I do think that there needs to be a recognition of the real and rational basis of the fear and anger of ordinary Australians, the ones who have put two and two together and figured out that it is they - qua non-Muslim - who will be singled out for death, if there is ever (which God forbid and ASIO prevent) a Mumbai-hotel-style or Nairobi Westgate-mall style jihad swarming attack in our cities; that the Muslim attackers, "sorting" their "bag", would let the Muslims go whilst reserving the non-Muslims for torture, rape and murder. - CM
'It followed incidents including members of the Muslim community being verbally abused (specifics, please: how many? what was said, exactly? are there independent witnesses or CCTV recording of these incidents? - CM) and vandalism at Mosques and Islamic centres in and around the Brisbane and Logan areas (again: I know so far of just one such case that was reported, the painting of a couple of slogans on a wall of a building - CM).
'The Kuraby Mosque was the site of a serious arson attack 13 years ago in the wake of the September 11 terrorism attacks.
And that's the only one. The ABC has to go back thirteen years to find the sole mosque that has been burnt by any non-Muslim, in Australia, ever. Thirteen years, in the course of which there have been, inter alia, the Bali bombing (by Muslims), the Madrid train bombing (by Muslims), the Mumbai train bombing (by Muslims), the London bus and train bombings (by Muslims), two train bombings and a railway station bombing in Russia (by Muslims), the Muslim jihad attack and hostage-taking at the Beslan school in Russia (with torture, rape and murder of helpless children and parents), the Boston Marathon bombing, the Muslim attack on the Westgate Mall in Kenya, the "swarming" attack on Mumbai in November 2008, Mohammed Merah's assassination of French soldiers and of four helpless Jews, three of them small children, in France, and the wholesale destruction of multiple Christian churches by Muslims, in Egypt and Iraq and Syria and Pakistan, just to name some of those that spring immediately to mind. And in those thirteen years not a few jihad plots, hatched by pious mosque-attending Muslims resident in Australia, who were planning acts of mass murder of infidel Aussies in order to please allah and spread terror, have been - fortunately for us - caught a-borning, and foiled. - CM
'Kuraby Mosque acting Imam Dr Mohamed Abdalla said Australians must work together to prevent extremism.
"We call upon all Australians to respect the rule of law, abstain from discrimination, act calmly and compassionately", Dr Abdalla said.
But do you regard yourself and other Muslims - whose primary loyalty is to Islam, to the Ummah, and who are obliged, insofar as you are fully-instructed Muslims, to strive for the temporal as well as spiritual dominance of Islam, world-wide - as "Australians"? Do you recognise Australian non-Muslim law and the Australian infidel state, Dr Abdalla? Or are you, in this sentence as quoted, in fact addressing Australian Infidels only, not Muslims? - CM
"It's very important this type of meeting sends, hopefully, a positive message to Muslim youth and otherwise that the leaders of the community are united against violence.
Before reading any further, I would encourage persons new to this subject to read a classic essay by one Wolfgang Bruno, that appeared at the jihadwatch website many years ago, entitled "An Islamic Dictionary for Infidels". Click here:
Now, once you've read it, go back and read that quoted statement by Dr Abdalla, condemning "violence", and ask yourself whether what Dr Abdalla means when he uses the word "violence", and what the Christians standing beside him think he means, are in fact the same thing. - CM
'Both leaders of both main religions and great religions of the world are making an unequivocal clear statement that we're against violence, we're against acts of terror, regardless of who perpetrates those acts".
'Regardless of who'. I wonder whether he is, between the lines, for his Muslim hearers, identifying as 'violence' and 'acts of terror' not only the few individual instances of street-level harassment of Muslims by non-Muslim loose cannon, but also the actions recently taken, on three separate occasions, by Australian infidel law enforcement, to disrupt or put an end to Muslim actual or intended aggression against Infidels and Muslim support for the Islamic State jihadis? - CM
'We hope these young people take heed from these statements and follow the advice of leaders in the community".
I don't trust this man as far as I could kick him. - CM
'Uniting Church pastor David Busch said the purpose of the meeting and statement was to declare they would not allow the actions of a few to create religious, racial or ethnic tensions in the community.
This has got nothing to do with race, Rev Busch. It is about ideology. Ever heard the term dar al harb? The Zone of War? That's us, Rev Busch, as defined by classical Islam. - CM
"Any vitriol, hate or menace billed (billed? - CM) directly against innocent people does not reflect the best of our Australian community values", he said.
Rev Busch: I suggest you do some research on the special - and rather restricted - meaning of the term "innocent" as used by Muslims. You might get a very nasty surprise. Also, please define exactly what you mean by "vitriol" and "hate". If someone publicly criticised the Quranic sanction of wife-beating and the Quranic sanction of polygyny and the Hadith which commands that apostates shall be put to death, or stated that they found it horrifying that modern-day Muslims justify marriage to barely-pubescent or pre-pubescent girls by citing the sacralised example of Mohammed's bedding of nine-year-old Aisha, would you condemn them as having engaged in "vitriol" and "hate"?? - CM
"In a time such as this we must live by the best of our community values.
"A way of life which some people believe needs to be defended by acts of violence, humiliation or intimidation against vulnerable and innocent people who themselves have disavowed violence (but are you sure, Rev Busch, that the Muslims you think you know are not on board with the jihad to spread Islam and to impose the sharia? - CM) is not a way of life worth defending at all."
Rev Busch, if you want to know what real, rampant violence, humiliation and intimidation look like, perhaps you should look at what is happening to Copts in Egypt, to Christians and Hindus in Pakistan, and to the Christians and Yazidis in Iraq, right now. I do not condone or call for gross breaches of civility nor acts of damage to property nor attacks upon the person, directed by angry and fearful Aussies against identifiable Muslims. But I think a sense of proportion needs to be maintained. The worst that any Muslim in Australia has as yet had to suffer - assuming that the various complaints are real and not rumour, imagined or fabricated - is a mere pin-prick compared to what Muslims are meting out to non-Muslim minorities, in Muslim lands, almost universally. - CM
'Meanwhile a Catholic priest on the Sunshine Coast condemned a protest against a proposed mosque.
'Hundreds of people came to verbal blows (note the ABC's inflammatory language; they could just as easily write - "had a heated exchange of views" or "had a very loud argument" or just "argued loudly" - CM) with the building's supporters at a protest in Maroochydore last weekend.
'Father Joe Duffy wrote a letter of support for the Muslim community's plan to establish the mosque metres from the Stella Maris Church in Maroochydore after the heated protest on Saturday.
Measure him up for his zunnar, or dhimmi belt. - CM
'Father Duffy said he had since received abusive letters (how many? - CM) from parishioners unhappy with his stance.
Abusive? Containing crude bad language and threats? Or merely - angry, but rationally critical, pointing out basic truths about Islam, its texts, its "prophet" and its history? Substantial verbatim quotes, please, so we can see which it is. CM
"Since I was a small child, my parents taught me whenever there's new people that move in next door, always be friendly towards them because you want to get off to a good start, so as far as I'm concerned they're my next door neighbours".
But will they regard you as their 'neighbour", Fr Duffy? Read Quran 48.29: "Muhammed is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, and harsh to the unbelievers". Two other translations choose a different rendering for the word rendered as "harsh" - they choose "strong" or "ruthless". And then there's surah 3: 28 - "Let not the believers (Muslims) take for friends and allies infidels (non-Muslims) instead of believers". That forbidding of friendship with non-Muslims is reiterated in a number of other Quran verses (3.117, 5:49, 5:56 and 5: 57). And here's Ibn Ishq - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders". And here is the clear-headed Conor Cruise O'Brien, summing up the nature of Islam as abundantly demonstrated throughout the past 1400 years - "The Prophet Mohamed did not offer his followers a chance to live in harmony with their neighbours. He taught them to fight their neighbours, if they were unbelievers, and to kill them or beat them into submission. And it is futile to say of those Muslims who faithfully follow those teachings today, that their actions are not "intrinsically related to Islam." - "The Lesson of Algeria: Islam is Indivisible", Independent, 6 January, 1995. Sooner or later, our nice naive Fr Duffy in Maroochydore is in for a very rude awakening. it is one thing to love your enemy; it is quite another thing to not even know or realize that they are your enemy. - CM
'Some protesters at the rally (how many, exactly? - CM) threatened to bury dead pigs near the proposed mosque, but Father Duffy said that was absurd.
If it was indeed threatened, it was foolish, because for one thing, the proposed site is right in the middle of a heavily-frequented urban area, and one would run afoul of council regulations about the proper disposal of organic waste. - CM
"That's my problem, because the church and the house next door are almost as one and whatever they do to them, they do to me", he said.
If a pig's head is left on the block, then the council can be called to dispose of it, exactly as is done when a deceased cat, dog or possum is found lying about; and the person who left the dead meat should incur whatever fine is applicable for causing a public nuisance. And that should be all. - CM
"I would hope that people that make statements like that would think about them later because they're just silly".
'No signs of racial tension in Mareeba'.
'Far north Queensland police said there had been no signs of racial tension following the vandalism of a Mareeba mosque.
Racial tension? What race are Muslims? What race is, for example, Samantha Lewthwaite, born-British lily-white jihad gang moll currently running around in Somalia with Al Shabaab? Or, by the absence of "racial tension", do the police in fact mean that they are pleasantly relieved that the resident Muslims haven't yet rioted? - CM
'The word "evil" was sprayed on the building in the wake of last week's counter-terrorism raids in Sydney and Brisbane.
Well? I wouldn't spray the word "evil" on a building - because that is vandalism and breaks Australian law - but I woudl not hesitate to call Islam itself, as contained in the canonical texts and further fleshed-out by the sacralised life and example of warlord Mohammed - whom Maimonides dubbed Ha-Meshugga, "The Mad" - an evil religion. After reading Mark Durie's analysis of the dhimma system, in his book "The Third Choice" I do not think that any sane person could conclude that a "religion" that commanded and encouraged its adherents to inflict that degree of systematic humiliation, degradation and sheer physical terror upon non-members was not evil. - CM
'Senior Constable Mark Elliot said police had reviewed CCTV footage but had not identified any suspects. "There has been some, if you like, good leads come in. Obviously we haven't completed the follow-up to a number of those yet," he said. "But we would still ask for anyone who may have any information to please come forward. We would like to get to the bottom of it".
I wonder what would happen if the local papers in North Queensland received Letters to the Editor quoting verbatim from the Islamic texts some of the more hair-raising episodes in the Life of Mohammed, such as his approval of the assassination of Asma bint Marwan, his robbing of caravans, and his rapes of captive women, Rayhana and Safiyya, and asking whether or not this conduct should be described as "evil"; and pointing out that this murderous, raping, robbing warlord who made money from capturing people and selling them as slaves, is held up to all Muslims worldwide as "the perfect man" and "an excellent example of conduct"? - CM
'On Thursday evening a 34 year old man was arrested and charged over the vandalism of an Islamic prayer centre at Rocklea in Brisbane's south.
'A home being used as a place of worship by the Indonesian Muslim community was spray-painted with the words "die" and "Muslims are evil and have no respect for our ways", some time between Tuesday night and Wednesday afternoon."
Vandalising a house is a crime. And a death threat - "die!" - is a crime. But what of the other statement, even if inappropriately placed on the wall of a house not belonging to the person making the statement? Is it an insult? What if it is, broadly speaking, the truth? If one has read Serge Trifkovic's "The Sword of the Prophet" or has waded through Bat Yeor's immense tomes on dhimmitude, or Andrew Bostom's encyclopaedic compilation of original sources and scholarly articles, "The Legacy of Jihad", or if one spends a bit of time browsing the sermons and other pronouncements from the media of the Muslim world, available at MEMRI, one can hardly avoid concluding that Islam is an evil ideology, an ideology which teaches its adherents - Muslims, the Ummah - to hold in contempt all other human beings - and the non-Islamic ways, laws and customs of those human beings - and to strive, to engage in Jihad, using all means deemed necessary, including fraud and ultra-violence, in order to convert, to subjugate and humiliate, or to destroy those other human beings and their societies, laws and belief systems. And we know from history and from observable events today that a great many Muslims do in fact do just as their cult tells them to do.
But meanwhile, we must listen to yet another dhimmi urging us to be extra specially nice to the poor terrorised persecuted Muslims and show solidarity with them. Also from the ABC, Jessica Hinchcliffe reporting.
'Queensland Christian Leader Calls For End to Muslim Hate'.
Not for an end to the sacralised Muslim hatred of non-Muslims, as formulated in the doctrine of al wala wa al-bara. Oh no. What he's worried about is that some Australians - not many - are responding with verbal and low-level physical aggression, to the news that a group of Muslims were ...plotting wholesale ritual murder, or human sacrifice, of Aussie non-Muslims. - CM
'A Queensland Christian leader is encouraging the public to say "G'day" to Muslims and to accept their faith as a sign of solidarity.
"Accept their faith". Unfortunate wording, that, because foolish as he is, I don't think he's actually asking people to say the Shahada and convert to Islam. Question: is he aware of the fact that canonical Islam teaches Muslims that they must not greet non-Muslims when they meet them in the street? Sahih Muslim, 2167: "It was also reported that it is forbidden to say salaam to Jews and Christians, because the Prophet...said, "Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or a Christian, and if you meet them in the street, push them to the narrowest part of the road". - CM
'Pastor Dave Andrews was one of 20 religious ministers who recently met with Muslim leaders at the Holland Park mosque in Brisbane's south.
Where they would have been fed a steaming pile of nonsense and lies and double-talk, flattery and veiled threats. - CM
'The former Christian missionary, now Anglican pastor, joined representatives from the Salvation Army, Uniting Church, Catholic Church and Anglican Church.
'Pastor Andrews told 612 ABC Brisbane's Steve Austin that the public should not believe the hype that portrays Muslims as extremists.
But how does the ordinary Aussie distinguish the Muslim who is not an "extremist" from the Muslim who is; the Muslim who is lax, or who is perhaps having doubts and is teetering on the brink of full-on apostasy and the embrace of another faith or of no faith, from the Muslim who has got that old-time religion and is setting out to wage jihad fi sabil allah? They don't come with labels. A lax Muslim, or his or her offspring, can suddenly Go Jihad. And sometimes the most dangerously jihad-minded cannot be detected by the beard and robe and cap or by the black burqa or niqab; for they may shed the gang uniform, shave the beard (if male), take a westernised name, don a suit or elegant haute couture, smiling nicely at those they intend to humiliate and kill. Time to quote Conor Cruise O'Brien again, from the article I have already mentioned above: "Fundamentalist Islam is a misnomer which dulls our perception in a dangerous way. It does so by implying that there is some other kind of Islam, which is well disposed to those who reject the Koran. There isn't." And then there are the words of Ali Sina, apostate from Islam, in an article called "Exposing the Myth of Moderate Islam".
In that article, Ali Sina argues that "Moderate Muslim makes as much sense as moderate Nazi", and "I would like to remind the readers that virtually all Muslim terrorists come from a secular background. At one point they were just as "liberal" as Mr Fatah [Tarek Fatah, of Canada - CM] is today until something happened in their lives and they turned to their faith. Every "moderate" Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a "moderate" Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith. It is time to put an end to the charade of "moderate Islam". There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists - moderate, they are not." Pastor Dave Andrews would probably be horrified by these words; but Pastor Dave Andrews surely cannot claim that Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim living under the shadow of the sharia assassin, has no right to speak about Islam, the world and the cult within which he, Ali Sina, was raised, until the day that his intellect and empathy awoke, and he decided that he must leave Islam. - CM
"We need to go up to Muslim people and say G'day and ask them how they are going", he said. "If we want to be accepted, we need to accept them. If we want to be respected, then we need to respect them".
Dave Andrews: do you know even the first thing about Islam? Because one of the things that stands out a mile, both from the texts and the history, is that the principle of reciprocity is rejected by Islam, and by Muslims. They demand respect and dish out...contempt. They demand 'acceptance' and dish out...rejection and exclusion; indeed they demand more than acceptance, they demand that they shall dominate and others, the non-Muslims, shall be grovellingly subservient, indeed should cringe in terror. Pastor Andrews, if you have not yet read Mark Durie's "The Third Choice", or Bat Yeor's massive lifework, her three books cataloguing the horror - the slow-motion shoah - that is dhimmitude, then you must. Before you dare to open your mouth again on this subject. Pastor Andrew, you have lived and worked in India. Have you ever opened an English translation of a famous 17th century Indian Sufi Muslim "saint", one Sirhindi? For there you will read him saying, in a tone that betrays a heart and soul of solid granite, impervious to empathy, devoid of compassion, a mindset as harsh as that of any SS officer discussing the Untermenschen, that the dhimmis - the non-Muslims living under Muslim rule, in an Islamic state, must be treated in such a way as to always be "terrified and trembling". - CM
"The general population is freaked out, and when people become fearful they become defensive and the best form of defence is attack. What we are seeing is fearful people taking it out on innocent Muslims."
But how, in ordinary life, walking down the street, is the average Aussie infidel to distinguish the 'innocent" Muslim - the non-Jihad-minded or verging-on-apostasy, the one who has not taken on board the classic teaching of hatred and contempt for, among others, the Christians, practitioners of shirk (which is the worst of offences, worse than murder) from the orthodox, the actively jihad-minded who might suddenly pounce upon an unsuspecting non-Muslim, as that convert to Islam did just now in Oklahoma, and behead him or her? All one knows is that if a person is displaying the Gang Colours, that person is a member of the same Allah Gang as is carrying out beheadings - in London, in Oklahoma, and on the grand scale, in Syria and Iraq. Mr Andrews, this is like trying to persuade chickens that when they see a thing that looks like a fox they have no right to be afraid. - CM
'Pastor Andrews says he has received multiple reports in recent weeks of Muslim people being attacked throughout Brisbane, with many in the community feeling under siege.
And ordinary Australian infidels - Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, atheist, agnostic, pagan? What about us? Don't we have the right to feel that we are under siege and that there are fifth columnists in our midst? What of our soldiers, who have just been told that they ought to reconsider whether they go about in public in uniform...which essentially boils down to telling them that they must regard Australia as a war zone within which the wearing of the uniform identifies them as a target for enemy attack? What of our policemen, two of whom were just ambushed by a Muslim who intended to murder them? Are they wrong to wonder, when they meet a Muslim, whether that Muslim too may not harbour murderous intent? The police did not uncover a plot by a group of Aussie Infidels, to kidnap Muslims and cut their throats and video the proceedings for circulation on the internet. They uncovered a plot by a group of Australia-resident Muslims, to kidnap Aussie infidels off the streets of our cities - as Kriss Donald in the UK, and Ilan Halimi in France, were kidnapped - and then cut off their heads, exactly as is being done in Iraq and Syria by Islamic State jihadis, to the tune of allahu akbar. And given that, is not the fear - and the resulting occasional outbreaks of low-level aggression, very low-level by comparison to the murderous aggression engaged in or intended by the Muslims - at least...comprehensible? Is it a sin to fear amd be wary of those who belong to an ideologically-defined human gestalt that, it is becoming plainer and plainer, contains many in its midst who wish all non-members ill? - CM
"People in their community are too afraid to go outside. I have Muslim friends who text me daily about attacks."
I am afraid that, in light of the Hadith in which Mohammed declares "War is deceit", I am wary of these claims of having been "attacked". These days, all people carry mobile phones capable of recording video. Has he seen authentic video recordings clearly depicting these claimed attacks? - CM
"One woman was grabbed the other day and her hijab was pulled off in Logan", he said.
Does he know her name? If it happened, this would be a case of low-level assault; are the police investigating? - CM
"Another woman in a niqab was followed into a house and she was grabbed by her throat, which frightened her.
Again, has a complaint been made to the police? If this happened, it was an assault and should be reported as such.- CM
"A friend sent me a photo of a serviette that was left under a windscreen that said, "F off from our country you so and so".
Perhaps it happened. Or perhaps it was a hoax; such things have happened, in the past. In Pakistan and Bangladesh there have been multiple blatantly-obvious cases of Muslims "framing" infidels on trumped up - utterly fake - charges of "blasphemy", of insulting Muslims/ Islam/ Mohammed, in order to have an excuse not only to attack the person thus accused, but also in order to unloose the mobs upon the victim's entire community. - CM
"Muslim people are experiencing this every day at the moment. It is frightening for them."
One serviette on a windscreen. If real and not fabricated, an expression of a - fact-based - feeling of having been invaded by an alien entity that threatens harm. Meanwhile, the Christians in Iraq - the last remnant of the indigenous pre-Islamic population and culture - have been threatened, and attacked, and raped, and many of them killed, and they have been told to leave their own home region, now under Islamic State control, because it is "Muslim land". Is Pastor Dave Andrews exercising himself very much on behalf of the Christians of Iraq, who really are facing full-on ethno-religious "cleansing", and genocide, in their own ancestral homeland, at the hands of ...Muslims? - CM
'Pastor Andrews hopes a few small changes may help the Islamic community.
"We hope to create a 'buddy system' for someone to go with a Muslim to the shops or the mosque, so they feel like they can walk freely", he said.
Chickens to escort foxes so that the foxes may feel safe and "accepted". Question. Suppose the plot to behead had not been disrupted. Suppose three or four or a dozen or more Australians, all non-Muslim, of various ages, both sexes, had been "disappeared" and then reappeared on the internet, starring in beheading videos posted by boastful Quran-quoting ...Muslims? Would Pastor Andrews be busy organising for able-bodied men to accompany little old ladies or schoolkids, so that they would not feel afraid to go out, lest they too should disappear and turn up murdered? - CM
"We are also looking at the possibility of cleaning up some of the graffiti as a simple, practical act of showing solidarity.
"One of the great joys of my life is my engagement with the Muslim community. The people I am engaged with are bright, energetic, interesting, committed and peaceful people".
And non-Muslim people are not, or are less so? Question: re these Muslim people whose praises Dave sings so effusively, are they so bright, energetic, interesting, committed and peaceful because of being Muslim, or in spite of being Muslim? Has Dave Andrews ever read Quran 3:28 and the classical commentaries upon it, the commentaries which state that a Muslim may only befriend a non-Muslim feigningly and temporarily, and purely for the benefit and convenience of the Muslim? - CM
'The former missionary worked in India for many years (but seems to have avoided reading K S Lal - CM) and has been working on the relationship between Christians and Muslims since 9/11.
"I have been working with my Muslim colleagues to build bridges that the extremists continually blow up, that we continually rebuild, to bring our communities closer together", said Pastor Andrews.
Which extremists? Muslims or non-Muslims? - CM
"We want to stand in solidarity, oppose all violence, and commit ourselves in peace.
"We have a general population who have their view of Muslims constantly developed in the most negative terms."
'He believes the situation lies in respect.
"If we want our Muslim brother and sister to support minority Christians, then we in our country have to support our Muslim brothers and sisters", he said.
Won't work, mate. Won't happen. Islam - classical, orthodox, by the book Islam - does not do reciprocity. It does not practise the Golden Rule. It is not "do unto others as you would they should do unto you". Muslims will demand and expect respect from non-Muslims; but for non-Muslims they will show - insofar as they are fully-instructed and sharia-compliant Muslims - nothing but boundless contempt and hatred. It's a one-way street. Zero sum game. Dominance and submission. Dominance: for the Muslims, who are taught they are "the best of people", "commanding right and forbidding wrong". Submission, humiliation, degradation, for the kuffar, who are "the worst of beasts". - CM
"What makes it easier is that my Muslim friends are equally outraged about the injustices that are happening overseas".
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Which injustices, precisely? - CM
"We have to understand that the majority of the Muslim population (in Australia? - CM) are not like these extremists, they share a vision of the world with liberty and equality (I am sorry, Pastor Dave, but I am not as willing as you are to believe this - CM) and are as appalled of (at?- CM) these crimes against humanity as we are".
I must beg to remain sceptical of that, Pastor Dave. And I do hope that you don't find yourself, one day, starring in a beheading video devised by one of those "bright, energetic, interesting, committed and peaceful" Muslims whose praises you are singing so loudly. - CM