Melbourne, Australia: Muslim Man Arrested By AFP On Suspicion of Fomenting Jihad
We'll start with the 'skynews' version of events, and then fill in the picture from a few other sources.
'Vic man arrested in terror raids'
'A police raid on 11 properties (eleven! - CM) in Melbourne's south-east has resulted in a 23 year old man being arrested in connection with terrorism offences.
'The operation began at 6 am (AEST) at Springvale's Al-Furqan Islamic Information Centre (that is, they do da'wa - CM) - described as being part of the political fringe of the city's Muslim community (but just how 'fringe' is it, really? they're always 'fringe' when they're caught hatching mass-murder - CM) and ended with a 23 year old from suburban Officer in custody.
'He was expected to be charged with collecting or making documents likely to facilitate terrorist acts, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years' jail.
'People wanted to assure the public there was no immediate threat to the community's safety.
'They seized a number of items including a USB memory stick containing violent extremist materials, computer equipment, imitation firearms and a number of registered firearms, a joint statement from the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and Victoria Police said.
'Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner for Crime Steve Fontana said the joint investigation was ongoing.
"I would like to reassure people that we have not identified any immediate threats that pose immediate concerns to the safety of the community and we will continue to work to ensure that all steps are taken to protect all members of the community", Mr Fontana said.
'A spokesman for the Al-Furqan centre, who did not want to be identified, said police arrived at 6 am and stayed until about 6 pm.
'They wouldn't allow anyone inside, they just cordoned it off', the man told AFP. 'They took a few things and gave us a receipt'.
'Everyone has been taken aback but you always have the feeling that these things can happen.
Sounds like he was kinda expecting a visit from the police...I wonder why? Something to hide? - CM
'Muslims live here and they are checking things in the neighbourhood'.
Yes, and very sensible of the police to do so, because jihad terror plots seem to bubble up from Mohammedan neighbourhoods with dismal and predictable regularity. - CM
'The Al-Furqan centre also engages in religious instruction and conducts lectures on Islam.
'Its website carries videos of Islamist militia (that is, Sunni Muslim jihadists - CM) fighting in the Arab world, such as the uprising in Syria, separatists in Mali (that is, the zealous sharia-pushers in Mali, the hand-choppers and floggers - CM) and reports of the Taliban infiltrating the Afghan army.
Hmmm. Did the reporter who did due diligence by visiting the website, come across any gleeful gloating over the 'insider attacks' that have been killing Aussie and American soldiers of late? - CM
'Police briefed representatives of Melbourne's Islamic community on Wednesday afternoon about the raids which were carried out at Narre Warren South, Craigieburn, Hallam, Officer, Springvale South and Noble Park.
It appears that the 'briefing' took place after the raids were well under way. I certainly hope so, or the police won't have found anything much. But I would like to know why a 'briefing' was thought necessary, at all. - CM
'Somewhat ironically, the operation fell a day after the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
'Islamic Council of Victoria president Ramzi el Sayed said Al-Furqan was part of the local Muslim political fringe and its leader, Sheik Haron, was not a member of the mainstream Muslim society.
Suuuure. Somehow they never are, when this kind of thing is exposed to the view of the kuffar. Damage Control. - CM
'The AFP's acting counter terrorism national manager Justine Saunders described the arrest as a positive outcome. "The AFP is committed to working with state and territory police and the community in order to counter the ongoing and enduring threat of terrorism (in order to try to thwart the more obvious and spectacular attempts at Fast Jihad...- CM) and ensure the safety and security of the community", she said.
But if we didn't have any Musiims living in Australia we wouldn't have to worry about this kind of thing at all and could concentrate our efforts on dealing with common or garden crime...The Ummah, or Mohammmedan mob, is the nurturing sea within which the jihadists swim and from which, ceaselessly, they emerge. So long as we have a Muslim 'community' in Australia, we will have jihad incitement and we will have jihad plots and sooner or later one of those plots will succeed, and kill a lot of people. - CM
'Mr El Sayed commended the police for consulting with the Islamic community as events unfolded.
Why should they? Very silly of them to have done so. In this sort of investigation, I would have thought that the element of surprise would be paramount. - CM
"They carried out the raids showing a lot of respect, including telling the women at some of the houses that they were coming in and for them to put on their headgear and scarves", he told AAP on Wednesday night...
Oh, dear. And I suppose the police did not search those magic headcoverings? Think of how many potentially incriminating USBs and other items of that sort could be tucked inside the Slave Hoods and spirited away right under the noses of the police. And I guess our police cannot possibly use the Dog Squad when engaged in a search of Mohammedan premises?
Our next item is from the ABC, and it tells us that the young Muslim man who was arrested has been taken off to hospital complaning of 'stomach pains'. What a coincidence. Poor little persecuted petal...- CM
'Suspect taken to hospital after anti-terror raids'.
'A man arrested yesterday during a series of counter-terrorism raids in Melbourne has been taken to hospital.
'The 23 year old man from Officer is receiving medical treatment after complaining of abdominal pain.
'He is expected to be charge with collecting or making documents likely to facilitate terrorist acts, after officers with the joint counter-terrorism team searched properties in Narre Warren South, Craigieburn, Hallam, Officer, Springvale South and Noble Park yesterday...
'Australian Federal Police acting national manager of counter-terrorism Justine Saunders described the arrest as a positive outcome. "The result of today's operation demonstrates the importance of operations undertaken by Australia's joint counter-terrorism teams, and as an example of proactive law enforcement action to prevent terrorist activity in Australia", she said.
"The Islamic Council of Victoria says the raids were linked to the Al-Furqan centre at Springvale.
And will the Al-Furqan centre now be shut down? Or will it be allowed to go on its merry way? - CM
'The Council's Sherene Hassan has told AM the centre is a fringe group that does not represent the wider Islamic community.
After the latest lot of arrests, they always, always say that. - CM
"We are very concerned that there may be individuals involved in a terrorist plot" she said.
Suuure. This sort of jumping-the-gun upsets and alarms the kuffar and exposes to them what Islam is really all about, just when the Slow Jihad of demographic swamping and Sharia Creep was going so swimmingly. - CM
"The last thing we want is any kind of terrorist attack anywhere in the world, let alone in Australia, and it's very reassuring that the authorities are being very vigilant in keeping our community safe".
And now to Cameron Stewart of The Australian, for a fuller description of this entirely unnecessary and embarrassingly anxiously propitiatory 'briefing' that the police conducted with the local Ummah...even while the searches were still happening.
Here it is:
'Islamic Council of Victoria (ICV) President Ramzi Elsayed told The Australian he had been personally briefed about the raids.
"This briefing was an anticipatory action. In the past they have briefed us after the event", he said.
And that's what they should have done this time, too. I bet all the really interesting stuff was well hidden by the time the last lot of searches were executed. - CM
"There was a strategy to engage community members.
"We were briefed at 3.30 pm today. Steve Fontana and Assistant Commissioner Tim Cartwright chaired a meeting with Muslim community leaders. The searches were still ongoing when we were briefed.
"They told us that Al Furqan centre in Springvale was the centre of the raids.
And if ten other premises were searched - mostly large private homes - just how 'fringe' is it? - CM
"We were concerned about them and the material on their website. We felt that the tone the manner and the language of what they were posting was not appropriate in certain circumstances."
But you would deem it appropriate, in other circumstances? I would be interested to know what the appropriate circumstances might be. Once the Muslim presence is a lot larger and more powerful, perhaps, and can dispense with the smiling mask of taqiyya? And a further question for Mr El Sayed: was it a Muslim or Muslims who brought Al Furqan and their plotter/s to the attention of the AFP? Or did the AFP and Victoria Police have to find things out by themselves or on information from worried non-Muslims who had taken a peek at the shop, and / or its website? - CM
'Mr El Sayed said the Al Furqan centre in Springvale was a 'marginalised' organisation that was not a member of his peak body...'.
So he says. But the sorts of things that emerge from my final item, Mark Buttler and Chris Gillett's report from the Herald Sun, suggests that quite a lot of Muslims have had to do with Al Furqan, along the way. - CM
''Neighbours speak of shock as guns, computers, violent extremist materials seized in terror raids'.
'UPDATE: Neighbours affected by the series of terror raids across Melbourne yesterday have spoken about their shock and fear about living so close to police targets.
'Anti-terror police seized guns and a computer memory stick allegedly containing extremist material in a series of co-ordinated raids on 11 properties across the suburbs. AFP officers continued their operations today at a property in Narre Warren South.
'A man (that is, a young Muslim man - CM), 23, from Officer in Melbourne's south-east, is expected to be charge with collecting or making documents likely to facilitate terrorist acts...
'A woman who lives in the same street as the arrested man said she believed he lived there with his wife, his brother and his sister-in-law.
'Trish Bourke said undercover police cars were at the property in Officer when she left for work at 7.30 am yesterday.
'"The family have lived there about one and a half to two years", she said. "The women wore the full hijab and both men had beards.
In other words: devout sharia-compliant Mohammedans. - CM
"I said hello to them if I saw them and they would say hello back but that's about it. We didn't have conversations. They were not that friendly".
Of course they weren't. Note that she greeted them, not they her. Muslims are not supposed to greet the kuffar first; the inferior (the kuffar) must initiate a greeting. And Muslims are not supposed to befriend the najis kuffar (the filthy Infidel); the Quran makes that very plain in multiple passages. - CM
'Another neighbour believed the younger brother was arrested.
"The older one, and possibly both, were working in insulation", he said.
With endless opportunities small and great for sabotage and the doing of harm. - CM
'Another neighbour, who did not want to be named (I wonder why? - CM) said the double-storey modern brick property had been up for sale for a few weeks.
Now that is interesting. - CM
"They were pretty quiet and were always covered up when I saw the women", she said. "They didn't have any children. They were not unpleasant, but I'm just shocked".
I would not have been shocked or surprised to discover that a bunch of stand-offish Mohammedans with women in full Islamic garb and men sporting big beards had a jihad inciter amongst them. - CM
'Another said police were at the home "from dawn to about 3 pm". "I have a 15 year old who is scared and asking me if he is safe", she said.
"This is a quiet street and we don't want anything to do with it. When it's a couple of doors down you just want to keep your head down and keep well away. It's so unnerving all this going on so close to our family home".
'No-one was answering the door to the property this morning, but someone was seen pulling aside the blinds to look outside when media knocked at the door. A woman was seen driving out of the garage shortly before 7 am...
'Among properties raided was the Al-Furqan Centre, an Islamic Information Centre in Springvale South...
"In a series of lectures posted on the marginal group's Facebook page, leader Abu Talha claimed to have records of phone conversations showing Al Furqan was the subject of an ASIO probe.
And from the sound of things, if it was, then ASIO was merely exercising due diligence. - CM
'A Muslim Australian (that is, a Muslim currently holding an Australian passport - CM) who occasionally (just how 'occasionally'? did the journalists think to ask? once a week? once a month? once a year? - CM) prayed at the Al Furqan Centre said they were a splinter group.
Suuuure. And if they are, why is he praying there even 'occasionally? - CM
"The organisation itself has been around for a while, they have been on the fringes", the man said.
"They are a splinter group that decided to go their own way, they had their own ideologies and interpretations and the other stuff that goes with it".
So why was he 'praying' with them? It might have been interesting to ask him to go into specifics about those 'ideologies' and 'interpretations' and in what way they differ from what is made quite clear in the Quran, Sira and Hadith. - CM
'The self-funded (how? By sales of books and videos? But if that's the case, they must be selling quite a lot of them, in order to stay afloat - CM) Al Furqan centre broke away from the Dandenong mosque several years ago (plausible deniability? - CM) but the so-called Sheikh Harun is not recognised as a Sheikh or Imam by the wider Islamic community and is not believed to have completed formal religious scholarship, the man said.
So he said. But is anyone checking on this? - CM
'"He's not a sheikh", the man said, adding [that] Muslims from Dandenong, Preston and Brunswick mosques also attend the centre for prayers.
But it's just a tiny, teeny, marginalised splinter group that isn't a recognized part of the Muslim 'community' in Victoria? - CM
'A man who lives near the Al Furqan centre said police swooped at 6 am.
'"It moved swiftly, it was obviously a covert operation", he said.
"There used to be a lot more people at the centre than there are now".
How many more? And when did the numbers suddenly and mysteriously drop off? - CM
"99 percent of the time they are men and they keep to themselves".
'Another neighbour of the centre, who did not want to be named (I wonder why? - CM) said members showed up and prayed on his front lawn behind police lines.
That is trespassing. It would be interesting to know whether this wary gentleman is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. - CM
"They have never done that before. I think it was a statement against police more than anything", he said.
'A third neighbour, Leanne Rhodes, who lives opposite the centre on Wardale Road, said at least 50 police surrounded the area from 9 am and stayed until after 5 pm.
"I opened up my bedroom window and heard loud voices. I saw police everywhere and I thought, 'my God, what's going on?' she said.
"They (police) were in and out of the shop all day".
'Ms Rhodes said three Islamic men were taken outside and were praying in front of the police.
"They all just sat there in a circle, the police were just watching them."
'She said some nights dozens of people packed into the Wardale Road store.
"There would have to be 50-plus".
Any outfit that is mustering regular meetings of 50-plus people does not look exactly like a tiny marginalised 'fringe group', to me. - CM
"But there is nothing threatening about them. (Really? Maybe you don't find it threatening. But that, my dear fellow-citizen and fellow Infidel, is because you appear not to have educated yourself sufficiently about Islam, jihad, sharia and dhimmitude. I hope you will remedy that omission, soon. Before it's too late. - CM). We don't think, 'Oh god they are meeting again'. They leave everyone alone".
Perhaps. For now. And you, my dear lady, are living right next to where they meet. 'Work accidents' aside, they are not going to blow up their own HQ. They will reserve that honour for someplace else.
If you click on the link I've provided, there are photos of all the premises mentioned in the article, including one of the houses that was raided in Narre Warren South. - CM
'A neighbour said that a Msulim family lived in the home on Ormond Road, Narre Warren South, that police raided.
"There was a lot of police, they have been there all day", the neighbour said.
Making a very thorough search, one must presume. - CM
"I have never had any trouble from them".
Yet. - CM
'victoria Police Assistant Commissioner for Crime Steve Fontana said the investigation was ongoing....".