More on Australia's Latest Jihad Plotter; and, Predictably, Muslim Leader in Australia Invokes Fears of 'Backlash'
From Australia's Channel 9 News, and from the ABC.
Channel 9 first.
'Man Linked With Terror Plot Faces Court''
That is: Muslim Jihad Plotter Faces Court. - CM
'A man has been charged with collecting documents linked with the preparation of a terrorist act as police raids continued in Melbourne.
'Adnan Karabegovic, 23, of Officer, was on Thursday charged with four counts of collecting documents connected with the preparation for the engagement of a person in or assistance in a terrorist act.
'Adnan Karabegovic'. That sounds as though he is from the Balkans: probably either Albanian or Bosniak Muslim. - CM
'He was arrested during raids on 11 properties on Wednesday that allegedly uncovered a USB memory stick containing what police described as violent extremist materials, computer equipment, and guns.
'Australian Federal Police and Victoria Police raided a 12th property in the city on Thursday searching for weapons, computer gear and terrorism-related documents.
One wonders whether the Quran, Sira and Hadith should be classified as terrorism-related documents..- CM
Karabegovic made no application for bail during a brief appearance in Melbourne Magistrates Court and was remanded in custody to appear again on December 6.
'He refused to stand when asked by Deputy Chief Magistrate Jelena Popovic at the end of the hearing, but Ms Popovic told him, "It does not bother me in the least".
It should bother her. This arrogant, aggressive Muslim is refusing to stand in the presence of a female non-Muslim magistrate, because he does not recognise the authority of any person other than a Muslim and any law other than the Sharia of Islam. - CM
'No details of what Karabegovic is alleged to have done were put before the court.
'The properties raided on Wednesday included the Al-Furqan Islamic Information Centre in Springvale, which other Muslim leaders say is on the fringe of their community.
Of course they would say that, now that it is exposed as a hotbed of jihad-mindedness. - CM
'One leader of the centre, however, had told followers three weeks before the raids that they were being watched, pointing to dozens of text messages he said exposed an undercover officer.
'"We have clear evidence that he is a spy", Al Furqan leader Abu Talha said in an address posted online.
'Photos of the suspected spy's text messages from his smart phone reveal how he was passing on details of prayer meetings and attendees.
'While an AFP spokesman declined to comment on the spying allegations, a counter-terrorism expert said the claims were credible, and can explain why police raids have resulted in only one arrest.
"It's clear their hand was forced", Professor Greg Barton of Monash University said of the police operation.
"I don't think we're looking at a terrorist cell or any plan afoot, but rather they are looking at a group so outrageous, so they were put under surveillance as part of their due diligence".
'Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said there is no immediate risk to the community from the Al Furqan Islamic Information Centre or anyone caught up in the anti-terrorism raids. "Not an immediate risk, people in the community need not fear for their safety today or tomorrow", Ms Roxon told ABC's 7.30 Report.
Not today or tomorrow. But what about next week, or next month, or in a year's time? - CM
"What is clear though is that the police have uncovered people with a seriious intent to cause harm...people who have got material and are or were preparing to use that material in some way for a violent or terrorist attack".
'People'. Muslims. Perfectly orthodox Muslims, eager to fulfil the Sixth Pillar of Islam. - CM
'Asked if the emergency powers of ASIO and police powers were too broad, the minister said they were under review.
'Ms Roxon was also asked if she thought that people understood ASIO could now be questioning someone in secret without charge, and that a person could be jailed for not answering questions and have their right to a lawyer blocked.
'She said the average person would not want it applied to them, but it was only applied in special circumstances and with protections and oversight.
'Those laws are not under review, Ms Roxon said.
'But telecommunications powers were being reviewed, with powers possibly to be expanded, requiring internet service providers to keep information for up to two years.
'The state's main Muslim body, the Islamic Council of Victoria, said it had been briefed by police about the operation but the group being investigated was not a member and had only a handful of followers.
'A handful'. I recall that one of the people living next door to Al Furqan, interviewed by the Herald-Sun, recalled regular nightly gatherings of 'dozens' or even '50-plus' people. That sounds not like a 'handful' to me. And in the same Herald-Sun article, one of the Muslims who had 'occasionally' 'prayed' there, said Muslims from 'the Dandenong, Preston and Brunswick mosques' used to come to Al Furqan for 'prayers'. - CM
'Islamic preacher Sheikh Haron had led a group of followers away from a Noble Park mosque about 10 years ago to found the Al Furqan Centre, although his current whereabouts are unknown.
I wonder whether ASIO, the AFP and Victoria Police have been looking for him? If they're not, perhaps they should. - CM
'Imam Ibrahim Omerdic, of the Noble Park mosque, said he was worried the police raids would marginalise the entire Muslim community.
Funny how Muslims who all over dar al Islam gleefully engage in massive collective punishment of the Infidels at every opportunity they can find - or fabricate - are so quick to condemn the remotest possibility of anything similar being done to them in the lands of the Infidels. - CM
"Maybe they find nothing, and from one stupid man, everyone will (be) poisoned", he said.
'One stupid man'. Stupid because he was busy working himself or others up toward a violent jihad raid on Aussie Infidels? Or stupid because he got caught by the Infidel police? - CM
'Karabegovic was taken to hospital on Thursday morning after complaining of abdominal pains, but his lawyer, Marcus Dempsey, told the court his client had no custody management problems.
'When asked by Ms Popovic about his level of English, Mr Dempsey said Karabegovic had been living in Australia since he was seven.
That means he came here - presumably from the Balkans, with his parents, as 'refugees' 16 years ago, around 1996. He came here, he was raised here, and he is busy plotting jihad here.
And now for the ABC, which with a straight face reproduces a bunch of nonsense about fears of 'backlash' and 'Islamophobia'. Never mind rational non-Muslim Aussie fears of being blown up in buildings, buses, trains or football stadiums...no, what really matters is that the poor little Muslims should not have to worry about people looking at them funny. - CM
'Muslim leader fears backlash after terror raids'
'A Muslim leader wants the Australian Federal Police to apologise for its handling of yesterday's anti-terrorism raids in Melbourne.
'Several properties (that is, several Muslim households and businesses - CM) have been raided over the past two days in a joint Victoria Police-AFP counter-terrorism operation...
'The police say the operation focused on the Al Furqan centre in Springvale.
'Melbourne's Islamic community is distancing itself from the centre and is also warning against an over-reaction amid fears of a new wave of Islamophobia.
'Imam Ibrahim Omerdic of the Bosnia and Herzegovina Mosque at Noble Park (the mosque from which Al Furqan 'hived off', so to speak - CM) says the centre is a fringe group which does not represent the views of the Muslim community.
But did the ABC reporter or anyone else think to ask him for specifics? To ask him how his definition of Jihad, for example, or of what is permitted by Sharia, might differ from that of the Al Furqan 'fringe group'? - CM
'Mr Omerdic says the community will blame the AFP for the publicity surrounding the raids because it paints an ugly picture of Islam.
Can't have Islam looking ugly...Sorry, mate, few things could look much uglier than the picture already painted by, for example, the ravening Muslim mobs calling for the blood of little 11 year old Christian girl Rimsha Masih in Pakistan, as 'punishment' for a 'blasphemy' that she seems not even to have committed. Or than the picture painted by the murder of Miriam Monsonego by an allahu-akbaring Muslim named Mohammed Merah, whose community have hailed him as a hero. Islam reveals its ugliness all day, every day, all over the world. Presumably Mr Omerdic thinks that none of this should ever be reported, and similarly, that the raids in Victoria should not have been carried out in the first place or, if they were, the fact that Muslims of any kind were being investigated should never have been divulged to the public...- CM
'But Police Minister Peter Ryan says counter-terrorism operations do not target communities based on race or religion.
Race is indeed irrelevant; the latest Muslim arrestee would be of 'white' Slavic ethnicity; others, in the past, have been of Arab or African ethnicity, and two have been Anglo-Celt Aussie converts to Islam. But, alas, Minister Ryan, it looks as though you need to do some homework on Islam. Just read what Jacques Ellul - in the brief but weighty foreword he wrote for Bat Yeor's "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam" says about 'Jihad' as the prime religious obligation of the Muslim believer. And then you will know why you don't have to conduct surveillance of Buddhist, or Hindu, or Jewish, or New Age, or Christian bookshops and meeting places, nor even of the 'Christian Science' reading rooms or the YMCA; but you do have to conduct surveillance of places like Al Furqan. - CM
'A 23 year old man made a brief appearance in the Melbourne Magistrates Court this afternoon charged with terrorism offences after yesterday's counter-terrorism operation...
'Karabegovic smiled to family members from the dock but made no application for bail.
'The court heard he had been in Australia since the age of seven and understood what was happening in court, but he refused to stand for the magistrate.
'Karabegovic was remanded in custody and will return to court in December.
'The President of the Islamic Council of Victoria, Ramzi El-Sayed, says police told him about the raids yesterday afternoon.
'He says he is now on alert for any backlash against Melbourne's Muslim community.
But I guarantee there will not be mobs of hundreds or thousands of Aussie non-Muslims storming the mosques or setting fire to homes in Islamified neighbourhoods. Mr El Sayed is projecting. He is assuming, or else pretending to believe, that Aussies will behave...well...like Muslims do, every time they are told (whether it be false or true) that even one kuffar, somewhere in the world, might have done or said something deemed injurious to Muslims. - CM
"It can give rise to the notion that the Muslim community is condoning and encouraging some levels of terrorism, and that's far from the truth", he said.
Well, some among 'the Muslim community' obviously are, given the number of jihad plots - fortunately foiled - that have already been hatched on Australian soil. - CM
"So it is certainly, from our experience, something that we are very much concerned with particularly because of the misunderstandings and the repercussions that can emerge in the wider community".
'Misunderstandings'. Some of us, Mr El Sayed, have read your 'holy' books. Some of us have read a lot more. Some of us have listened to bog-standard Muslim 'sermons' on MEMRI and elsewhere. We know what your cult is all about. And if you don't like people looking at you funny, tough bickies. They're looking at you funny not because they 'misunderstand' what Islam is all about, but because they understand only too well. - CM
'Mr El Sayed says he knows little about the Al Furqan centre.
Muslim 'leaders' and official spokesmen all over the western world somehow never know anything about any Muslims or Muslim organisations that have just been busted for or exposed as being implicated in the hatching of jihad plots...CM
"They are not part of the Islamic Council of Victoria and nor is their leader, Sheik Haron, part of the Board of Imams or the Australian National Imams Council" he said.
"So in terms of interaction with the wider community, involvement and engagement, it is limited, and as such we don't know too much about them".
One hopes that ASIO, the Federal Police, and assorted state police across Australia are prepared to look sceptically at all such distancing from and vehement 'throwing under the bus' of suddenly-embarrassing members of the Ummah...and then look very carefully at all family and business connections here and abroad, the money trail, phone calls, and other patterns of interaction. - CM