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If the administration could only see that the best way to save face while withdrawing from Iraq would be to send some troops to save the southern Sudanese Christians and their nominal Muslim brethren in Darfur from Muslim aggression, we could change the equation in the overall war radically. Our policy should be focused on stopping Islamization period. Bringing democracy to Muslim countries only serves to exacerbate the problem. It's long past time to institute plan B.

WaPo: In April 2006, a small group of Darfur activists -- including evangelical Christians, the representative of a Jewish group and a former Sudanese slave -- was ushered into the Roosevelt Room at the for a private meeting with . It was the eve of a major rally on the , and the president spent more than an hour holding forth, displaying a kind of passion that has led some in the White House to dub him the " desk officer."

Bush insisted there must be consequences for rape and murder, and he called for international troops on the ground to protect innocent Darfuris, according to contemporaneous notes by one of those present. He spoke of "bringing justice" to the , the Arab militias that have participated in atrocities that the president has repeatedly described as nothing less than "genocide."

"He had an understanding of the issue that went beyond simply responding to a briefing that had been given," said David Rubenstein, a participant who was then executive director of the Save Darfur Coalition, which has been sharply critical of the administration's response to the crisis. "He knew more facts than I expected him to know, and he had a broader political perspective than I expected him to have."

Yet a year and a half later, the situation on the ground in is little changed: More than 2 million displaced Darfuris, including hundreds of thousands in camps, have been unable to return to their homes. The perpetrators of the worst atrocities remain unpunished. Despite a renewed push, the international peacekeeping troops that Bush has long been seeking have yet to materialize...

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Posted on 10/29/2007 8:13 AM by Rebecca Bynum
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29 Oct 2007
Send an emailEnoch

What we're doing in Iraq IS stopping Islamization!  What do you think is going to happen when we pull out?  There will, within a matter of months to at most a few years, be an Islamic regime in place - and probably a Shia regime allied to Iran, at that.  How easy do you think it will be to "stop Islamization" once Islam has obviously defeated us in Iraq? They will have plenty of momentum, that's for sure.

But let's accept, for the sake of argument, that "nothing bad" would happen if we pulled out of Iraq and redeployed to Darfur.  What do you think would happen in Darfur?  We'd be in the exact same situation as we are in Iraq - we'd be perceived as an army of occupation, and we'd be fighting a rabble of irregulars, and subject to daily IED attacks.  No change! 

How can the policy of "stopping Islamization" work, in practice?  Are we back to propping up secular dictatorships again?



29 Oct 2007
Send an emailRebecca Bynum

Dear Enoch,

You might want to take a look at the Iraqi Constitution, which states that no law can contadict Islam. The Shi'a are the majority and the Shi'a took power. Islam is back with a vengeance.

You might also notice that where elections have been held in Muslim countries, extreme Islamic parties do very well. The outlook is that they will continue to do well and gain in strength world-wide.

In the Southern Sudan, the Christian/animist majority would undoubtedly vote for independence from the Muslim north. Creating and protecting this new nation would�halt islamization there.

We cannot stay in Iraq forever. We cannot heal the 1350 year old Sunni-Shi'a split, nor should we try - it is not in our interest for the enemy to be strong and united. We should rather�desire that the camp of Islam to be weak and divided.

We should view the Muslim world as a hostile bloc and treat it the way we treated communism, by containment.



30 Oct 2007
Send an emailEnoch
Islam is back with a vengeance.

That said, Iraq is not yet under "Islamic law", and cannot be so while we are still there.

You might also notice that where elections have been held in Muslim countries, extreme Islamic parties do very well. The outlook is that they will continue to do well and gain in strength world-wide.

I am aware of this, but since I did not argue that "democratization" was a good thing, it is not a germane response.

We cannot stay in Iraq forever. We cannot heal the 1350 year old Sunni-Shi'a split, nor should we try - it is not in our interest for the enemy to be strong and united. We should rather desire that the camp of Islam to be weak and divided.

It does not necessarily follow that withdrawal from Iraq will create weakness and division within Islam.  It is easier to imagine that a clear and self-evident American defeat in Iraq will create strength and unity within Islam.  The bad guys will be energized by their victory, others in the Arab world will flock to their cause, and there will be a new Islamic troublemaker (Iraq) in the world.

Frankly, I think the calls on this site for US withdrawal are every bit as facile and poorly thought-out as similar calls found on Leftist websites.

31 Oct 2007
Send an emailBrian T
Enoch,

What exactly constitutes "winning" in Iraq? Is it when every Al Qaeda member in the middle east is dead?  What about" ordinary" Iraq muslims who reject the idea of a free  democratic Iraq and the only freedom they want is to be more free to practice Islam unfettered?  Do you realize the differences between liberal democracy and  sharia law?

If the U.S." wins" in Iraq, in ANY way you wish to define victory, then  the U.S. will leave.  We cannot afford the  costs of this war for an indefenite period. And when we leave the forces of Islamic jihad will only be stronger because Iraq and Iran will surely ally.

Your post refuses to explain how we will know when victory has been acheived, it ignores the fact that the U.S. will have to leave some day,  and fails to even speculate about what will happen after we leave.

One cannot argue that we need to stay in Iraq until we "win " without stating what a win is going to look like and I don't think you can.



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