Saturday, 1 May 2010
The Times has not endorsed the Conservative Party at a general election for 18 years. For far too much of that time, the Conservative Party turned inward and vacated the ground on which British electoral victory is won — a commitment to the prosperity and liberty fostered in a free-market economy and a sense of justice in an open and tolerant society. Tony Blair’s Labour Party took up the promise of modernity, through its commitment to enterprise and the courage to stand tall in the world. Sadly, over the past 13 years that promise has faded. We all know that Britain can do better: it is surely time to regain our optimism.
This election offers a fundamental choice about the future of this country. It offers a moment to put old-fashioned tribal loyalties, class prejudices and social habits aside. We must choose. Either we are to be a country that has lost confidence in the ingenuity and potential of its people, and concludes that the State must continue to grow to protect us from ourselves. Or we can be a country that cares for the needy but reins in the ever-growing appetite of government and frees up people to grow their businesses, nurture their families and pursue their own hopes and happiness.
"Grow their businesses"? Dear, oh dear. Still, it is better to grow a business than grow a quango, as the Labour party will continue to do. Better still to grow a mango. Is a market gardener allowed to grow his business? Speaking as one whose garden grows - they know not how - of its own accord, I would say that he can, provided he doesn't use cockle shells, because that's my trick.
Anyway, vote Tory - it's by far the least worst option. UKIP would be ideal, but they won't get in, and would split the Tory vote. If you can't bring yourself to vote Tory - and I know that for some people Socialism or Liberalism is in the blood - vote for an independent rather than the LibDems.
Of course it's none of my business how NER readers vote, but most NER readers are opposed to Islamisation, and while the Tories have a long way to go on that, at least they won't make things worse.
Posted on 05/01/2010 9:57 AM by Mary Jackson
1 May 2010
Mary, how are the Liberal Democrats 'anti-Semitic'? Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that you are characterising the party based on the deranged views of Jenny Tonge, who is really a marginal figure in the party. Also, how are they 'totalitarian'? They have never advocated abolishing the democratic system in Britain. I myself would not vote for the Liberal Democrats, but to tar them with this sort of hyperbole is absurd.
Moreover, why do you say that a vote for UKIP would be 'ideal'? Supposing that UKIP was the main opposition party, would you really want to vote in a party that denies the reality of anthropogenic global warming, a view that Hugh Fitzgerald noted recently on this blog?
1 May 2010
How are the Liberal Democrats anti-Semitic?
Their leader espouses "Arab values" and thinks the Muslim prayer call is "beautiful".
How are they totalitarian? By being pro-Euro, and being in favour of an even more intrusive State than we have already.
UKIP would be ideal because they would get us out of the EU and help close our borders to Muslim immigrants. I don't care what they think about global warming as I'm far from convinced of it myself and think it's largely a racket to get us to pay more tax.
1 May 2010
'Their leader espouses "Arab values" and thinks the Muslim prayer call is "beautiful".'
Actually, Clegg was referring specifically to the British Arab community, which he thinks by and large espouse values such as commitment to liberal democracy. The link you share above tries to condemn Clegg by means of guilt-by-association. Now please condemn Andrew Roberts as a white supremacist for attending a dinner hosted by the pro-apartheid Springbok Club and giving a speech there commending the group. Also, if describing the call of the muezzin as 'beautiful' makes Clegg anti-Semitic, I guess you would also label the webmaster of http://www.danielpipes.org and http://www.meforum.org, who is an Israeli Orthodox Jew and has voted for the Likud party, as anti-Semitic. Here is a challenge for you: show me a statement by Nick Clegg espousing any sentiments of hostility towards Jews as a people.
'How are they totalitarian? By being pro-Euro, and being in favour of an even more intrusive State than we have already.'
So supporting the adoption of a particular currency is totalitarian? Wow. Furthermore, you provide no evidence to back up your claim that the Liberal Democrats favour an 'even more intrusive State than we have already'. Look at the chart here: http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010. Which of the three main parties is most libertarian on the issue of civil liberties?
'UKIP would be ideal because they would get us out of the EU and help close our borders to Muslim immigrants'
UKIP does not want to 'close our borders to Muslim immigrants' (not sure why you think this is such a great idea- I would only favour barring those who wish to introduce shari'a in any form or refuse to integrate). It wants a five-year freeze on all immigration (very silly) followed by the introduction of a points system similar to that of Australia (a sane policy).
'I don't care what they think about global warming as I'm far from convinced of it myself and think it's largely a racket to get us to pay more tax.'
If the theory of global warming is a scam just to tax us more, it is a very ineffective conspiracy: world leaders couldn't even agree to a binding deal at Copenhagen. And if you are not convinced about anthropogenic global warming, please take the time to watch this debate between Ian Plimer, the embodiment of all 'skeptic' arguments, and George Monbiot, who, despite covering the 'Climategate' issue very badly, as RealClimate showed (hence, like Hugh, I generally take a dim view of Monbiot and many of his insane views on other matters), does show for the general observer why the arguments of 'skeptics' have no scientific basis:
1 May 2010
Stuff and nonsense. Clegg doesn't smarm to Arabs because they'e "liberal" and "democratic". Since when have Arabs been either? He's pandering, shamelessly to the Muslim vote, and his open borders policy would allow many more Muslims and their families to come over here so there would be more Muslim votes to pander to. Pro-Muslim = anti-Semitic - have you read the Koran?
As for global warming - there have been scare stories before. I don't think it's a priority, and not a reason for choosing a policitcal party.
The Euro is more than a currency; the EU is unelected totalitarian superstate and joining the Euro, as well as requiring us to bail out corrupt thieves like the Greeks, makes it more and more difficult to extricate ourselves from it. And get out we must if we want to regain our sovereignty and avoid Islamisation.
2 May 2010
'Clegg doesn't smarm to Arabs because they'e "liberal" and "democratic". '
I was stating Clegg's thoughts, not my own.
'He's pandering, shamelessly to the Muslim vote,'
Now you are wrongly equating in this context the words 'Arab' and 'Muslim'. The event at which Clegg made those statements was attended by many people who describe themselves as Christian Arabs. Also, if your concern is about 'pandering' to Muslim voters, your hero David Cameron does exactly the same thing:
"First, a concerted attack on racism and soft bigotry. You can't even start to talk about a truly integrated society while people are suffering racist insults and abuse, as many still are in our country on a daily basis. ... many Muslims I've talked to about these issues are deeply offended by the use of the word 'Islamic' or 'Islamist' to describe the terrorist threat we face today. We do need greater understanding of the true nature of the terrorist threat. There's ... too much denial of it in the Muslim community. But our efforts are not helped by lazy use of language. Indeed, by using the word 'Islamist' to describe the threat, we actually help do the terrorist ideologues' work for them"
See this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/may/13/comment.communities
I guess in your estimation that makes David Cameron anti-Semitic, right? Furthermore, advocating 'open-borders' does not make someone 'pro-Muslim', and to presume that all Muslims who come to Britain are here to further an Islamic agenda is silly.
Again: show me a statement by Nick Clegg that expresses hostility towards Jews as a people.
'As for global warming - there have been scare stories before. I don't think it's a priority, and not a reason for choosing a policitcal party.'
Stating that there have been 'scare stories' before in no way implies that the reality of anthropogenic global warming is a scare story. The science behind it has mountains of data to support it, as Hugh Fitzgerald has documented in great detail at this site. If you think saving the habitability of this planet is not a priority, you need to wake up and smell the hummous of reality. Yes, Islamisation in Britain is a problem, but the public is aware of it, the apologists like Seamus Milne and Karen Armstrong have been discredited, and it's really not that urgent (the non-Muslim population, as well as the majority of the Muslim population of Britain, would never accept it).
'the EU is unelected totalitarian superstate'
Totalitarian superstate? Which planet are you on? You are given total freedom to criticise the EU however you want. Neither this government nor any bureaucrats in Brussels have tried to take away that right from you. As for 'unelected', what is the European Parliament? Is it not an elected body?
'as well as requiring us to bail out corrupt thieves like the Greeks'
How are the Greeks corrupt thieves? You need to stop using such emotional rhetoric. Do I not detect a hint of racism in that statement?
'And get out we must if we want to regain our sovereignty and avoid Islamisation.'
Mary, we are a sovereign nation. Withdrawing from the EU would be a crazy idea: most of our trade is with the EU, and the 1 million Britons in Spain would just be stranded there. Also, are you implying that the EU is secretly working towards Islamisation? Perish the thought.
2 May 2010
All parties talk the talk when it comes to pandering to Muslims, but only the LibDebms want an amnesty for illegal immigrants - i.e. lots more Muslim immigration. With Muslims it is simply a numbers game. The more there are the more expensive, unpleasant and dangerous (to quote HF) life is in Britain. So the answer is obviously vote Tory as the least worst obtion for immigration = Islamisation and don't touch the LibDems with a bargepole.
On global warming I am not a scientist and know only that it is politically fashionable and that there are vested interests. For me it is absolutely not a priority.
On the Greeks - yes, they lied and cheated their way into the EU and the Euro by presenting false accounts. Sounthern Europeans do not have the culture of honesty of the British or even the Germans, which is why it is good that we never joined the Euro. The LibDems want us in, which means that we would be spending our hard-earned cash bailing out kleptocratic Greek pensioners. Sod that for a lark.
Britain a soverign nation? Don't make me laugh. 75% of our laws come form Brussels. The European Commission which passes them has never been elected - it is a totalitarian superstate. The LibDems want us to stay in there. So avoid them like the plague.
As the most pro=Muslim, pro European party, containing the likes of Nick Clegg with his Jew-hating Arab friends, and the repulsive Jenny Tonge, it is indeed anti-Semitic.
I am not to be persuaded on any of these points, so you may as well give up posting on this thread.