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One More Time: How To Talk to A Climate Skeptic

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic

 

Below is a complete listing of the articles in "How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic," a series by Coby Beck containing responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming. There are four separate taxonomies; arguments are divided by:

Individual articles will appear under multiple headings and may even appear in multiple subcategories in the same heading.

Stages of Denial

1.       There's nothing happening

a.       Inadequate evidence

§         There is no evidence

§         One record year is not global warming

§         The temperature record is simply unreliable

§         One hundred years is not enough

§         Glaciers have always grown and receded

§         Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect

§         Mauna Loa is a volcano

§         The scientists aren't even sure

b.       Contradictory evidence

§         It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

§         Antarctic ice is growing

§         The satellites show cooling

§         What about mid-century cooling?

§         Global warming stopped in 1998

§         But the glaciers are not melting

§         Antarctic sea ice is increasing

§         Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high

§         Sea level in the Arctic is falling

§         Some sites show cooling

c.        No consensus

§         Global warming is a hoax

§         There is no consensus

§         Position statements hide debate

§         Consensus is collusion

§         Peiser refuted Oreskes

2.       We don't know why it's happening

a.       Models don't work

§         We cannot trust unproven computer models

§         The models don't have clouds

§         If aerosols are blocking the sun, the south should warm faster

§         Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high

b.       Prediction is impossible

§         We can't even predict the weather next week

§         Chaotic systems are not predictable

c.        We can't be sure

§         The modelers won't tell us how confident they are in the models

§         Hansen has been wrong before

§         If we can't understand the past, how can we understand the present?

§         The scientists aren't even sure

§         They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

3.       Climate change is natural

a.       It happened before

§         It was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum

§         The medieval warm period was just as warm as today

§         Greenland used to be green

§         Global warming is nothing new!

§         The hockey stick is broken

§         Vineland was full of grapes

b.       It's part of a natural change

§         Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle

§         Mars and Pluto are warming too

§         CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes

§         The null hypothesis says global warming is natural

§         Climate is always changing

§         Natural emissions dwarf human emissions

§         The CO2 rise is natural

§         Today's warming is just a recovery from the Little Ice Age

c.        It's not caused by CO2

§         Why don't they ever mention water vapor?

§         Water vapor's greenhouse effect overwhelms CO2

§         There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming

§         Mars and Pluto are warming too

§         CO2 lags, not leads

§         What about mid-century cooling?

§         Geological history does not support CO2's importance

§         Historically, CO2 never caused temperature change

§         It's the sun, stupid

4.       Climate change is not bad

a.       The effects are good

§         A warmer world will be better

b.       The effects are minor

§         Any ice melt will just go into groundwater

c.        Change is normal

5.       Climate change can't be stopped

a.       Too late

§         Kyoto is ineffective

b.       It's someone else's problem

§         Why should the U.S. join Kyoto?

§         The U.S. is a net CO2 sink

c.        Economically infeasible

§         Action on global warming is suicide

Scientific Topics

1.       Temperature

o        There is no evidence

o        The temperature record is simply unreliable

o        One hundred years is not enough

o        Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle

o        A warmer world will be better

o        It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

o        Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect

o        The satellites show cooling

o        Global warming stopped in 1998

o        They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

o        Some sites show cooling

2.       Atmosphere

3.       Extreme events

a.       Temperature records

§         One record year is not global warming

§         It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

b.       Storms

c.        Droughts

4.       Cryosphere

 .         Glaciers

§         Glaciers have always grown and receded

§         But the glaciers are not melting

a.       Sea ice

§         Antarctic sea ice is increasing

b.       Ice sheets

§         Antarctic ice is growing

§         Greenland used to be green

§         Any ice melt will just go into groundwater

5.       Oceans

o        Sea level in the Arctic is falling

6.       Modeling

 .         Scenarios

§         Kyoto is ineffective

§         Hansen has been wrong before

a.       Uncertainties

§         We can't even predict the weather next week

§         Chaotic systems are not predictable

§         We cannot trust unproven computer models

§         The modelers won't tell us how confident they are in the models

§         The models don't have clouds

7.       Climate forcings

 .         Solar influences

§         Mars and Pluto are warming too

§         It's the sun, stupid

a.       Greenhouse gases

§         Why don't they ever mention water vapor?

§         Water vapor's greenhouse effect overwhelms CO2

§         There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming

§         CO2 lags, not leads

§         CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes

§         What about mid-century cooling?

§         Geological history does not support CO2's importance

§         Natural emissions dwarf human emissions

§         Mauna Loa is a volcano

§         The CO2 rise is natural

§         Historically, CO2 never caused temperature change

§         The US is a net CO2 sink

§         Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high

b.       Aerosols

§         What about mid-century cooling?

§         If aerosols are blocking the sun, the south should warm faster

8.       Paleo climate

 .         Holocene

§         It was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum

§         The medieval warm period was just as warm as today

§         Greenland used to be green

§         The hockey stick is broken

§         Vineland was full of grapes

§         Today's warming is just a recovery from the Little Ice Age

a.       Ice ages

§         CO2 lags, not leads

§         Global warming is nothing new!

b.       Geologic history

§         A warmer world will be better

§         Geological history does not support CO2's importance

§         Climate is always changing

§         Historically, CO2 never caused temperature change

§         If we can't understand the past, how can we understand the present?

9.       Scientific process

o        Global warming is a hoax

o        There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming

o        There is no consensus

o        The null hypothesis says global warming is natural

o        Position statements hide debate

o        If we can't understand the past, how can we understand the present?

o        The scientists aren't even sure

o        Consensus is collusion

o        Peiser refuted Oreskes

Types of Argument

1.       Uninformed

o        There is no evidence

o        One record year is not global warming

o        One hundred years is not enough

o        There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming

o        A warmer world will be better

o        Action on global warming is suicide

o        There is no consensus

o        We cannot trust unproven computer models

2.       Misinformed

o        It was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum

o        The medieval warm period was just as warm as today

o        Antarctic ice is growing

o        CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes

o        Greenland used to be green

o        The satellites show cooling

o        Natural emissions dwarf human emissions

o        It's the sun, stupid

o        The U.S. is a net CO2 sink

o        But the glaciers are not melting

o        Antarctic sea ice is increasing

o        They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

o        Vineland was full of grapes

3.       Cherry Picking

o        It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

o        Antarctic sea ice is growing

o        The satellites show cooling

o        Global warming stopped in 1998

o        Antarctic sea ice is increasing

o        Vineland was full of grapes

o        Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high

o        The sea level in the Arctic is falling

o        Some sites show cooling

4.       Urban Myths

o        The medieval warm period was just as warm as today

o        CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes

o        Greenland used to be green

o        Hansen has been wrong before

o        They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

o        Vineland was full of grapes

5.       FUD

o        The temperature record is simply unreliable

o        Glaciers have always grown and receded

o        Why don't they ever mention water vapor?

o        Water vapor's greenhouse effect overwhelms CO2

o        Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle

o        Kyoto is ineffective

o        Mars and Pluto are warming too

o        It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

o        CO2 lags, not leads

o        There is no consensus

o        Antarctic ice is growing

o        Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect

o        We can't even predict the weather next week

o        Chaotic systems are not predictable

o        What about mid-century cooling?

o        The null hypothesis says global warming is natural

o        Geological history does not support CO2's importance

o        Climate is always changing

o        Natural emissions dwarf human emissions

o        Mauna Loa is a volcano

o        Global warming is nothing new!

o        The CO2 rise is natural

o        The hockey stick is broken

o        Historically, CO2 never caused temperature change

o        The models don't have clouds

o        Global warming stopped in 1998

o        If we can't understand the past, how can we understand the present?

o        If aerosols are blocking the sun, the south should warm faster

o        The scientists aren't even sure

o        Antarctic sea ice is increasing

o        Peiser refuted Oreskes

o        Vineland was full of grapes

o        Observations Show Climate Sensitivity Is Not Very High

o        Sea level in the Arctic is falling

o        Today's warming is just a recovery from the Little Ice Age

6.       Non Scientific

o        Global warming is a hoax

o        Kyoto is ineffective

o        Why should the U.S. join Kyoto?

o        The modelers won't tell us how confident they are in the models

o        Hansen has been wrong before

o        Position statements hide debate

o        The scientists aren't even sure

o        Consensus is collusion

o        They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

7.       Underdog Theories

8.       Crackpottery

o        Any ice melt will just go into groundwater

Levels of Sophistication

1.       Silly

o        There is no evidence

o        Global warming is a hoax

o        One record year is not global warming

o        Action on global warming is suicide

o        Mars and Pluto are warming too

o        Mauna Loa is a volcano

o        Any ice melt will just go into groundwater

o        The modelers won't tell us how confident they are in the models

2.       Naive

o        One hundred years is not enough

o        Glaciers have always grown and receded

o        Why should the U.S. join Kyoto?

o        It's cold today in Wagga Wagga

o        CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes

o        We can't even predict the weather next week

o        We can not trust unproven computer models

o        The satellites show cooling

o        Natural emissions dwarf human emissions

o        The models don't have clouds

o        Global warming stopped in 1998

o        It's the sun, stupid

o        If we can't understand the past, how can we understand the present?

o        The scientists aren't even sure

o        Vineland was full of grapes

o        Some sites show cooling

3.       Specious

o        The temperature record is simply unreliable

o        Why don't they ever mention water vapor?

o        There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming

o        Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle

o        It was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum

o        The medieval warm period was just as warm as today

o        A warmer world will be better

o        Kyoto is ineffective

o        CO2 lags, not leads

o        There is no consensus

o        Antarctic ice is growing

o        Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect

o        Greenland used to be green

o        What about mid-century cooling?

o        The null hypothesis says global warming is natural

o        Geological history does not support CO2's importance

o        Climate is always changing

o        Global warming is nothing new!

o        The CO2 rise is natural

o        Historically, CO2 never causes temperature change

o        Hansen has been wrong before

o        Position statements hide debate

o        The U.S. is a net CO2 sink

o        But the glaciers are not melting

o        If aerosols are blocking the sun, the south should warm faster

o        Antarctic sea ice is increasing

o        Consensus is collusion

o        They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

o        Peiser refuted Oreskes

o        Vineland was full of grapes

4.       Scientific

o        Water vapor's greenhouse effect overwhelms CO2

o        Chaotic systems are not predictable

o        The hockey stick is broken

o        Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high

o        Sea level in the Arctic is falling

o        Today's warming is just a recovery from the Little Ice Age

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Posted on 07/15/2010 3:29 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
Comments
15 Jul 2010
dumbledoresarmy

The fascinating thing is that one could lay out a very similar template entitled 'How to talk to a Jihad Sceptic', that is, "How to talk to a person who accuses you of 'Islamophobia' and tells you that you are making a big fuss about nothing and that there is no such thing as a Global Jihad and that Islam really is no better or worse or different from any other world religion".  Indeed, one can find such a template at sites such as 'Citizen Warrior'.

I have often felt that the 'shape' and tone of the arguments commonly made against those who worry and warn about climate disruption, is very similar to the 'shape' and tone of the arguments commonly made against those who worry and warn about the Third Jihad.

 



16 Jul 2010
Send an emailJohn P.

I don't know where �I stand on global warming. The passion expressed by those who claim it's true borders on the irrational/religious, which is why I'm somewhat skeptical at times.

Is it a kind of substitute religion, one which will see us punished /chastised by the hand of mother nature for our decadence and our sins of over consumption And to be frank the fervour shown by SOME tenors of global warming has such an end-times flavour to it, that I cannot take them too seriously.



16 Jul 2010
Hugh Fitzgerald

I haven't noticed this irrational passion of climate scientists to stick by their guns no matter what the counter-evidence presented. I have noticed their growing, and well-justified, annoyance with the Know-Nothings who keep attacking them using, again and again, the same points, that have again and again been refuted. And they even keep dragging up the same names -- there are only a few, with Lindzen in the lead -- as "experts" who are bravely telling the truth despite that "cabal of climatologists." After a while, one can't stand the nonsense any more.

I know several of those who are celebrated for their work in this area. I know that when they began their work, decades ago, they were, or at least wanted to be, what might be called "skeptics" -- people who, if they had any parti pris to begin with, it was naturally to hope that anthropogenic global warming would turn out to be a fasle problem. But the more they studied, the more data they collected, the more they read the literature, the harder it was to continue to hold to that belief. . It is, after all, most painful was it to come to another conclusion. But the data was so overwhelming, and the evidence mounts up, and some now say that  all along, they have been underestimating the results becaue what is going on today reflects what was spewed out since the beginning of the Inidustrial Revolution, but does not, for various reasons, reflect what has taken place during the last half-century -- the effects of that are all still to come. .

My late brother knew a lot about this subject. We had many conversations about global warming. He offered me his predictions as to what would happen in the next century. Very calmly, he offered a hair-raising list of changes in temperature, ocean levels rising (and the cities and land areas most threatened),  the collapse of food supplies and, consequently, the great wars over resources to come, the mass disappearance of species, and much more.. Dispassionately, clear-sightedly, and with his usual relentless and sometimes frightening lucidity he explained to me  why what has been stated publicly so far has always been on the side of understatement, 

Those who think that  global warming is all some kind of scheme concocted by "leftwing scientists" who either are prompted by the desire to get  "grant money" or who want this "phony"  crisis to lead to -- choose your favorite crazed charge -- "world government" or "socialism," have it all wrong. Anthropogenic global warming is much more lilely to lead to resource wars, ferocious nationalism, Hobbesianism at every level, and a  world of unending Sauve Qui Peut, where the advanced West, made vulnerable by its own suicidal compunctions, could lose out.



16 Jul 2010
Send an emailJohn P.

Hugh's comment makes good points, butI choose to remain neutral.

Science and all aside, what IS irrefutable is the fact that in only the past 2,000 years, earth's climate ( or at least that of the northern hemisphere) has undergone radical temperature and precipitation swings on several occasions, all of which occurred before the industrial age. From what I can glean, not a single climatologist has come up with satisfactory explanations for such changes. So if such� wide�oscillations in temperature�are possible, and since�they appear to have occurred without any anthropocentric contribution,� how can we then�be certain that the climate change� SOME say is now�occurring is even due to human action?

All I know� (for sure) is that the earth's climate, and this in only the past two thousand years, has undergone some very great changes ( in both temperature directions), and that these changes ALL occurred irrespective of what humans were doing.

Also, is climatology an exact science in the way that physics and chemistry are? Does it provide us with foolproof models�that can predict with perfect accuracy AND regularity the causes, the�course and the time-line�of climate change as related to human action?

I'm not so sure.

Rather than combatting climate change per se, I think we should put the emphasis on eliminating our dependance on petroleum and on the promotion of alternate sources of energy.

Imagine, for example, if all the money we've spent on both the Iraq and Afganistan wars had instead been funneled into the development of alternate energies. Imagine what we could have come up with?

We turn our backs on the future,� on new energy technologies, and in an effort to satisfy�the narrow interests of a small group of 'coal-ticks' , we spend trillions to remain firmly rooted�in The Age of Steam.





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