Friday, 25 May 2012
Glimmers Of Recognition By Victor Davis Hanson

Victor Davis Hanson, once an enthiusiast for the Iraq and Afghanistan ventures, manages to express doubts about possible American intervention in Syria without mentioning the Alawites, and the useful role they play in violently suppressing Sunni fanatics. And throughout one can detect his doubts -- but not anything remotely like a detailed mea culpa -- about the trillions spent in Iraq, Afghanistan (and, as a corollary expense, in Pakistan), and other Muslim countries that remain our enemy.

Nor is there a hint of his now understanding that the best way to deal with the Camp of Islam is not to frantically and expensively try to improve it, but to weaken the power of Islam over the minds of its adherents. And the best way to do that is to to do nothing to discourage the natural pre-existing fissures within the Camp of Islam:, sectarian (Sunni and Shi'a), ethnic (Arab contempt for, and indifference to the wellbeing of,  the non-Arab Muslims), and economic (the resentment felt by the Egyptians and other oil-poor Arabs toward the fabulously rich Gulf Arabs).

Nor does Hanson, nor practically anyone else ecognize that if in the Western world, the advanced world, many begin to speak and write about all the ways that Islam itself explains the many failures -- political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual -- of Muslim states and societies, then Muslims themselves would overhear, and be unable to convincingly deny the truth of that explanation. And if we become indifferent to what happens to Muslims, or even welcome the collapse of their societies into violence and even greater despair, and certainly do not welcome them into our midst, nor allow those already in our midst to continue to put forth the most outrageous demands, and instead refuse to accommodate them in any way, we will have adopted the only strategy of self-defense that can conceivably work. If we refuse to help Muslims out, by lavishing aid on them, and allowing some of them to settle deep within our lands bringing with them Islam, undeclared, in their mental baggage, which they then proceed to unpack and to disseminate -- unlike the refugees from Nazis and Communists who spread the word as to the awfulness of the Nazis and the Communists -- we will no longer delay the day of that welcome anagnorisis, when Muslims themselves, or the more intellitgent and morally advanced among them, recognize, however unwillingly at first, the truth of the assertion that it is Islam itself that explains the permanently wretched state of Muslims, a wretchedness, in every sense, temporarily obscured by oil trillions and Infidel-aid billions.


Here's Hanson's article as it appears at National Review On-line: :

The Bad-Good Idea of Removing Assad
The advantages may not merit action.

By Victor Davis Hanson

Who could not despise the tottering Bashar Assad dictatorship?

The Syrian strongman has killed some 10,000 protesters over the last year; thousands of Syrians are now refugees.

The autocracy arms and aids the terrorist organization Hezbollah. It targets democratic Israel with thousands of missiles and still does its best to ruin neighboring Lebanon.

Theocratic and terrorist-sponsoring Iran has few allies — but Syria remains its staunchest. Almost no other country over the last half-century has proved more hostile to the United States than has Syria.

With sanctions not working, and with the Chinese, Iranians, and Russians not eager to see Assad go, there is lots of talk that the United States and its allies must intervene to help the outmanned and outgunned Syrian opposition — with either arms supplies, training for insurgent groups, or air cover.


At first glance, such a humanitarian intervention seems a good idea. A well-armed insurgency might fight its way to Damascus. Or we could bomb Assad out of power the way we did Slobodan Milosevic in Serbia, or Moammar Qaddafi in Libya — and without the use of ground troops or loss of American life.

Would not the spread of the Arab Spring to Damascus be wonderful — especially given that it would weaken Iran and Shiite terrorist groups that have long killed Americans? Would not fewer die from collateral damage than in future attacks by Assad’s thugs?

But intervention, even if by air or through stealthy military assistance, requires some sort of strategy, and right now the United States does not seem to have any coherent one. We expected that post-Qaddafi Libya, and an Egypt without Hosni Mubarak, would be far better. They might be some day. But right now, emerging Islamic republics are hardly democratic. Some seem every bit as anti-American as were the dictatorships they replaced — and they could be even more intolerant of women, tribal minorities, and Christians. 

The point is not that we should support only idealists who promise an Arab version of Santa Monica, but that we do not oust one monster whom we are not responsible for only to empower one just as bad whom we would be responsible for. 

Our last three interventions in the Middle East offer all sorts of different lessons, but one common theme predominates: Those whom we wished to help didn’t seem to appreciate it. In Afghanistan, after a decade-long investment of blood and treasure, America is scheduled to withdraw in two years without any guarantee that Afghanistan won’t be ruled by the Taliban, as it was in 2001. Our biggest problem seems to be our Afghan friends, who keep rioting and blowing up their American partners.

We successfully removed Saddam Hussein from Iraq. And by nobly staying on with thousands of troops, we defeated an insurgency and finally birthed a constitutional system in Iraq that is still viable — but at a cost that the American public felt was not worth the eventual outcome.

In Libya, the model was to boast of United Nations approval, insert no ground troops, bomb Qaddafi, and support the insurgents. But because we far exceeded the very U.N. resolution we bragged about, we are not likely to get another such resolution for Syria. A bypassed Congress won’t want to be snubbed again in favor of the U.N. And so far the Libyan air campaign has reminded us that if we do not send in ground troops and risk casualties, we have absolutely no influence on what follows.

Since we went into Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States government has borrowed more than $9 trillion, and it is currently running serial $1 trillion deficits. We no longer pay for our wars, but instead we borrow the money from the Chinese and others who calculate how to profit better than we from the ensuing chaos. 

After lots of interventions, we have learned one thing about loud Arab reformers, especially those who were educated at Western universities: They damn us for supporting their dictators; they damn us for removing them; they damn us for interfering in their affairs when we help promote democracy; and they damn us as callous when we just let them be.

These cautionary tales do not necessarily mean that we should not help the Syrian dissidents, only that we must ask ourselves: Who exactly are these guys, how much will it cost to see them win, and when it is over, will our new friends rule any more humanely and competently than the monsters that we removed?

And one final consideration: If intervening in Syria is to be a humanitarian venture, why would saving lives there be any more important than saving far more lives from far more dictators in Africa?

Posted on 05/25/2012 11:33 AM by Hugh Fitzgerald
27 May 2012
Diane Carr

Please, please do not intervene in Syria.  Muslims hate us.  We must accept this fact and leave them alone. They know how to deal with each other.  If they want to kill each other let them. I'm sorry about the kids.  They're monsters.  What on earth do you expect?