Thursday, 14 February 2013
More Than Half A Century Of Unchecked Muslim Immigration, And Now Hague Begins To Worry About A "Syrian Jihadist Threat" To Europe

From Reuters:

The Muslim threat -- from Muslims in Syria, or in Pakistan, or in Egypt, or in Iraq, or in (your Muslim country here) is also from Muslims already within Europe, in France, in Germany, in Denmark, in Great Britain. The ideology of Islam remains, unchanged, with its canonical texts -- Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira -- immutable. Look at how Muslim immigrants behave everywhere in Europe and North America, and compare them with non-Muslim immigrations. Look at how Muslims treat non-Muslims everywhere that Muslims are in power, in North Africa, the Middle East, south Asia. What can one reasonably conclude? And what would be a sign of stupidity, ignorance, civilizational lunacy not to conclude?

From Reuters:

Britain warns of Syria jihadist threat to Europe

February 14, 2012

By Mohammed Abbas and Peter Griffiths

LONDON (Reuters) - The longer Syria's conflict goes on, the greater the risk it will breed a new generation of battle-hardened militants who will pose a threat to Britain and other countries in Europe, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Thursday.

Hague aimed his comments at Russia, which has had its own problems with attacks by Islamist militants, and has along with China repeatedly blocked U.N. Security Council action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Assad is locked in an almost two-year war with rebels that has killed nearly 70,000 people and has become a magnet for foreign jihadists intent on replacing Assad's mostly secular rule with a radical Islamic state.

Hague said Britain had not lost faith in the Arab Spring revolutions that in the last two years have deposed four autocratic leaders, but warned that Syria was the most acute case of the movement being "hijacked" by militants.

Hague, in a speech outlining British counter-terrorism strategy, labeled Syria the "number one destination for jihadists anywhere in the world today".

"This includes a number of individuals connected with the United Kingdom and other European countries," he told reporters at London's Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) defense think-tank.

"They may not pose a threat to us when they first go to Syria but if they survive some may return ideologically hardened and with experience of weapons and explosives," he said.

"The longer the conflict continues, the greater this danger will become, a point that should not be lost on policymakers in Russia and elsewhere," he added.

Hague urged Russia and China to back U.N. Security Council efforts for a negotiated solution to the conflict involving the opposition and "elements of the regime", or face the growing risk of the use of Syrian chemical or biological weapons.

Syria sits in a volatile region of Middle East conflict, with neighbors including Iraq, Lebanon and Israel.

At an EU foreign ministers meeting in Brussels next week, Britain will urge counterparts to review an EU arms embargo on Syria, which rolls over on March 1, to allow more help for the Syrian opposition seeking Assad's ouster.

Hague highlighted the potential risk from Syria in the context of a new policy framework on how to cooperate on intelligence with countries suspected of human rights abuses.

Britain has long wrestled with how to uphold its opposition to all forms of torture while ensuring it can gather information about planned attacks by militants, some of which might have been obtained through ill-treatment of suspects.

That has led to accusations of collusion in torture and a number of embarrassing legal defeats.

In December Britain agreed to pay more than 2 million pounds ($3.1 million) to the family of a leading opponent of late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi who said Britain was involved in his rendition to Tripoli where he was tortured.

Setting out the government's counter-terrorism strategy, Hague argued that Britain faced a dilemma over whether to work with states unable to guarantee suspects won't be abused.

He said many countries would be able to give "credible assurances" that they will not mistreat suspects.

"Where this is not the case, we face a stark choice. We could disengage, or we can choose to cooperate with them in a carefully controlled way while developing a more comprehensive approach to human rights adherence.

"This approach brings risk, but I am clear that the risks of the first option, of stepping back, are greater still, placing our citizens at greater risk of terrorist attack," he added.

Hague outlined formal safeguards and conditions for cooperating with countries with poor human rights records, a plan experts say is a way of trying to avoid the legal battles and controversy such collaboration has resulted in the past.

"There's an awareness that we have to have our legal back covered somewhat more, that we have to have a framework in place that will not leave us firefighting after the fact," said Shashank Joshi, security expert at RUSI.

"There's no choice. In every serious theatre of counter-terrorism, you always have regimes that will never meet the human rights standards William Hague has outlined."

Posted on 02/14/2013 3:23 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
14 Feb 2013
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Not The Definite Article?
It is surely beneath Mr. Fitzgerald (assuming here that he has not already done so) to pen an article explaining how "The Ukraine," "Las Malvinas," "The Falklands" or "The Sudan" translates into the Russian language.  Wordplay involving "William Hague" and "The Hague" is arguably (that is to say, probably not) below even my low standards, but I'm surprised by being unable to get a meaningful number for what must a helluva lot of Googlewhacks for it.
William Hague? Not the William Hague?
The Hague?  Not the The Hague?
Lynne Truss? Not the Lynne Truss who got a hernia over improper punctuation in Eats, Shoots & Leaves?
...Und so bite her.
The Qantas Wants Us,
The Koala,
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Would  Hagel stand Middle Eastern haggling on its head? Fitzgerald, Le Pen an article or is he just a "detail of history"?


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Tag clarification: It is Le Pen, not Mr. Fitzgerald (who is capable of writing the definitive article on Russian definite articles), who could be thought of as a "detail of history,"

14 Feb 2013
Hugh Fitzgerald

Boy, am I glad I didn't commit the obvious typo and write "Sybian Jihadist Threat." I'd never have heard the end of it.

14 Feb 2013
CHristina McIntosh

 From the article, "Hague, in a speech outlining British counter-terrorism strategy, labelled Syria the 'number one destination for jihadists anywhere in the world today.

'This includes a number of individuals connected with the UK and other European countries...

'they may not pose a threat to us when they first go to Syria but if they survive some may return ideologically hardened and with experience of weapons and explosives", he said.".


Why cannot someone like this, who is supposedly a military man, see the flaming obvious?

'If they survive, some may return'..

What gets me is this bland, supine assumption that they will return.  

Why, Mr Hague, pray, cannot something be done to stop them from returning?

If they were not permitted to return, if they could not get back in to the Uk  - or to France, or Germany, or Australia, or Canada, or Scandinavia, or wherever in the West they have roosted for awhile before deciding to flit off to Syria to help battle the Alawite heretics and install a sharia-compliant Sunni Muslim state - there would be no problem, yesno?

So: if you know who they are, or if you have a pretty damned good idea - then why cannot these persons be stripped of their citizenship or their residency status, and prevented from returning?

Let them go.


PS  It may be that some Muslims flit off back to parts of dar al Islam for reasons unconnected with Jihad.  However, the stakes are high enough - just one jihad-trained, battle-hardened, experienced Muslim psycho killer could do so much damage - that it is best to operate on the precautionary principle.  Muslim males of military age who leave the West and are known or may be reasonably supposed to be heading for destinations in or near known hotspots of jihad within dar al Islam should be assumed to be potentially dangerous; and their return should be prevented at all costs.  Annul their citizenship or their residency status.  Because all it will take is one or two slipping back in, and getting lucky, for thousands - perhaps many thousands - of people to get mass-murdered.  

It's time for the Authorities in non-Muslim lands to stop playing what I call 'Muslim roulette'.

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On The Road To Rouen*

"Boy, am I glad I didn't commit the obvious typo and write, "Sybian Jihadist Threat." I'd never have heard the end of it." -HF

Pardon my D minus French, but if I didn't have Google, I'd never have known the effing meaning of "Sybian," as in follow Osama's "strong horse" to "Things are in the saddle and are ridden by mankind," which wasn't quite the end of Catherine the Great (a great cream cougar for the middle ages) nor even of William the Conqueror*or the Polish cavalry unhorsed by Erwin Pommel.

Your Acrostics Threat,

Sybian Vane 

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