23 Sep 2012
Ruth Ben-Or
Isn't it nice to know that all the fundamentalists are on the same page when it comes to going gung-ho for WW3? I'm sure everything in this article is true, and I appreciate the support of friends of all faiths who believe in telling the truth, but you know what, speaking as a believing and practising Jew, I nevertheless do not want to be squashed flat between Rapture-ready Christians and Mahdi-awaiting Muslims, or exploited like some Leninist useful idiot in somebody else's battle.
30 Sep 2012
Christina McIntosh
' Ruth': you will not find many 'Rapture-ready' Christians in this website, nor indeed amongst the Islamosavvy worldwide.
And I would hazard the guess that the much-caricatured 'rapture-ready Christians' are far, far fewer in number, than Muslims who firmly believe that the Day of Judgement will not come until the Muslims slaughter the Jews (see Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari: hadiths that are, by the way, read and taken as authoritative by Sunni Muslims as well as by Shiites).
Read Australia's Rev Dr Mark Durie (an Anglican priest): read his book on the dhimma, 'The Third Choice: Islam,dhimmitude and freedom', which gratefully acknowledges and intelligently builds upon and extends the pioneering work of the Jewish scholar and historian Bat Ye'or, Or read Robert Spencer, 'The Truth About Muhammad'; Spencer is a devout practising Melkite Catholic, fully aware of Islam's Jihad against everybody (which includes Islam's jihad against Jews ).
You will not find anything at all about 'Rapture', nor any feverish attempts to fit modern history into assorted elusive and allusive prophetic writings from the Old Testament, in the works of either person.
What you will find is a stone cold sober analysis of the Meaning and Menace of Islam: Islam which has been persistently and mass-murderously attacking Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Confucians, Taoists, animists, Zoroastrians and, well, anybody and anything not-Islam, for 1400 years, with a guesstimated resultant body count of some 270 million...and counting. Islam - the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob - which has enslaved millions, castrated millions, raped millions, and laid waste enormous regions of the earth (see Tidiane N'diaye on the depredations of Islam in black Africa, and K S Lal and V S Naipaul on what Islam has done to India: ruin and desolation both physical and spiritual; and then there is Emmet Scott's book, 'Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited' which catalogues the physical and spiritual and intellectual ruin wrought upon eastern and western Christendom, by Islam...by the Ummah, the Mohammedan Mob).
I am a practising Christian. Strictly speaking, the only thing that orthodox Christians believe definitely ought to happen before 'the end', is that the story of Jesus must be offered to all persons of all nations under heaven. Since there are still tribes aplenty who have never heard the Christian message, and since many Christians also feel that people haven't had a chance to properly hear and assess the story till it is presented in a person's mother tongue, far from wanting the world to end in a MidEast conflagration anytime soon, let alone working to hasten such a conflagration, those Christians who most devoutly desire the Lord's return are likely to be found ...beavering away in jungles and deserts and in the urban slums of the Third World, preaching the gospel (including, in many dark and dangerous places, preaching the gospel to...Muslims), teaching and healing, performing the works of mercy (for in our lord's parable of the sheep and the goats the 'sheep' who receive commendation on the Day of Judgement are those who 'feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, welcome the strangers, visit the sick and those in prison') and earnestly translating the Scriptures (both the TaNaKh and the Christian scriptures, that is, the Gospels and Letters) into the mind-boggling number of human languages that do not as yet possess such translations.
Orthodox Christians also take very seriously the saying of our Lord's, recorded in the Gospels, which states categorically that (re the hour of his returning): 'No-one knows the day or the hour (except God the Father, in heaven)". That is, this One whom Christians regard as the Son of God excludes even himself from this knowledge; it is as if, even within the Godhead, mysteriously, there is a self-limitation. Which ought to have been a strong curb upon the imaginations of all who might claim to offer detailed 'readings' of contemporary events, trying to force them into the grid of either the prophetic writings of the Hebrew scriptures or of the Christian book of Revelations'...and many such have popped up throughout christian history and have always ended with egg on their faces.
Anyway, 'Ruth'.
Do you or do you not believe that Shiite Iran appears to be flying as high as a kite on frankly genocidal Jew-hatred, largely focused upon the world's one Jewish state?
Do you or do you not believe that it appears highly probable that Shiite Iran, should it obtain nukes, will use them upon Israel?
And if so - if you think there is a high probability that Shiite Islamic Iran will get nukes and then use them upon Israel - how do you propose that Shiite Islamic Iran be prevented from so doing?
Me, I happen to think that the best way to prevent WWIII - or, more precisely, to deliver a major setback to the Global Jihad, currently making its third great push toward Total World Domination, would be for the USA and (in a sane world) other non-Muslim Powers to turn Iran's key nuke sites into a series of enormous smoking holes in the ground. Without warning and, afterward, without either explanations or apologies; and certainly with no attempt at 'boots on the ground', 'nation building' or anything else. Fly in, hit hard and precisely, and then just get out.. and then not just Israel but every non-Muslim country on planet earth would be just a little bit safer.