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Wednesday, 23 May 2007
Polling U.S. Muslims

That poll of U.S. Muslims seems to have included Nation of Islam adherents, most of whom are native American black people with ancestry in this country going back centuries (and the balance almost entirely the children or grandchildren of black West Indian immigrants).

That skews the whole thing, both response-wise and solution-wise.  In the matter of responses, N.o.I. is, so far as one can judge from the TV appearances of its spokesmen (I don't recall seeing any spokeswomen...) just a race-nationalist group with a thin coat of Islam painted over their driving emotions and motivations, which are:  hatred of white people.  Solution-wise, none of the policies proposed by "separationists"—for example, bribing foreign Muslims to leave the U.S.A., preventing further Muslim immigration—is relevant.  Nation of Islam is here, and has no place to go.

The upside, though this is impressionistic, is that N.o.I. types seem to be interested mainly in encouraging black racial solidarity and sounding off about the wickedness of whites, not in "martyrdom operations" (like blowing yourself up in a crowded shopping mall).  Giving unpleasant answers to questions asked by pollsters like the Pew Research people, comes under the heading "sounding off" and probably shouldn't be taken very seriously.  Excluding N.o.I. respondents from the poll figures would likely give a clearer picture of the actual danger.

Posted on 05/23/2007 10:31 AM by John Derbyshire
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31 May 2007
Robert Spencer

Lately it seems to have become fashionable to attribute to me or to Jihad Watch positions that I don't hold. In a way this is a tribute to the success of our work, as we have become a symbol of something, although no one seems exactly sure of what. Recently, Dinesh D'Souza, Karen Armstrong, the Asia Times columnist who calls himself "Spengler," and Cathy Young, a columnist for the misnamed "Reason" magazine, have indulged in this sport. And now National Review's born-again atheist, John Derbyshire, has joined the fun. At "The Corner" this morning, Derbyshire adds this aside in the course of an otherwise worthwhile observation about Nation of Islam members being included in the Pew Research Center poll of Muslims in America:

Solution-wise, none of the policies proposed by "separationists"—for example, bribing foreign Muslims to leave the U.S.A., preventing further Muslim immigration—is relevant. Nation of Islam is here, and has no place to go.

The word "separationists" links to Jihad Watch. Now search for the word "separationists" at Jihad Watch. Nothing. "Separationism"? Nope, nada. All you'll turn up is this post itself. Apart from the merits or lack thereof of "separationism," which I believe is a proposal advocated at some other sites, it is strange, is it not, that the site Derb chose as his sole link for it has never mentioned it at all, until now?

Derb then explains "separationism" as involving "bribing foreign Muslims to leave the U.S.A." and "preventing further Muslim immigration." The first of these is absurd, and I have never heard of anyone advocating it, though someone may. I certainly don't. As for the second, it is eminently sensible, since no Muslim group anywhere in the world has pronounced takfir on Osama bin Laden and his ilk -- that is, ruled them out of Islam -- and so there is no reliable way to distinguish peaceful Muslims from actual and potential jihadists. But at the same time it is fraught with difficulties, some of which I discuss here. In any case, before it can even be discussed intelligently in the public sphere, there has to be a significant increase in public awareness about the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism, and if anything, at this point we're generally going in the opposite direction on that.

So Derb, in sum, attributes to us a label we do not use and a position that we do not hold. Of course, this is the guy who invoked Muhammad Atta as an example of how religion did not ennoble one in the middle of a discussion that was otherwise completely about Christianity, and who thinks Karen Armstrong's fantasy-ridden and hagiographical biography of Muhammad is worth reading, so perhaps I shouldn't expect better.



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