Thursday, 11 October 2007
Western values asserted

Do listen to this debate - it's well worth it. The motion - "We should not be reluctant to assert the superiority of Western values" - was carried, with something like 2 to 1 in favour, and 18 undecided, out of a total of 700. There was a fairly big swing from undecided (over 100 at the beginning) to being in favour. The link is here.

Ibn Warraq, David Aaronovitch and Doug Murray all spoke well. Ibn Warraq is the most erudite of the three, but Doug Murray is quite simply one of the best speakers I've ever heard.

Tariq Ramadan waffled and prevaricated. Charles Glass said nothing very memorable. As for William Dalrymple, not only does he talk nonsense - pernicious nonsense - but his voice is very unpleasant to listen to. You can imagine the stuff they came out with: Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the Spanish Inquisition. (Unlike the Python team, I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition.)

I haven't time to do a detailed review - if I find one that's already done, I'll post it. In any case, there's no substitute for listening to it yourself. The link takes a while to open, and wasn't working properly a couple of days ago, but works now.

Posted on 10/11/2007 4:54 AM by Mary Jackson
11 Oct 2007
Send an emailEsmerelda Weatherwax

Thanks for that.
I was having trouble getting the link to open and assumed it was my equipment, these steam driven appliances do have trouble with the modern MP3.  The link you supply opens and plays immediately.
I heard Douglas Murray supporting Daniel Pipes in January and was impressed.

11 Oct 2007
Send an emailPaul Blaskowicz

Why do I always think of a slithy tove, gyring and gimbling in the wabe, whenever I hear Tariq Ramadan speak. 

For most of the time Warraq, Douglas, and Aaronovitch not only deprived Ramadan of his honorific Professor, but pointedly used Mister when referring to him.

I thought I recognised the voice of my fellow-citizen, Norman Geras, about an hour and 10 mins in.  He comments on the debate here.