by Carl Nelson
“The first rule of running a Police State is to deny that it is, or that you are. And this will be the stance of all your followers.”
A fellow from the book club I just quit (with quite a squawk) wanted to get together for beers. So, we met for lunch. He’s a staunch Democrat, and when he took over the Presidency from me he came to the house to pick up materials. I asked if he’d like to sit for a spell and share some beers – but he acted a bit nervous to be around me and said he had to get home “to feed his cat.” Okay.
So I’m naturally wondering what exactly it is he wants to meet about. He made it sound like it was just to keep up the friendship. So, I decided to mess a bit with him.
I got to the bar before he did and selected an out-of-the-way table. (Not my regular.) When he arrived, I said “Hi” and then asked him to place his cell phone on the table. Then I asked him if he were wearing a wire.
He laughed uneasily, but good-naturedly enough, and did as I asked. (Denied the wire.)
We had a good lunch and conversation. There was only one moment there where I could see him getting his back up, but then we moved along. We talked about our backgrounds a bit, a little about Lincoln and how my opinion was that he was one of the worst Presidents we’ve ever had with several historical rationales. (Wasn’t counting the fraudulent Biden.)
I’m not clear what dance we’re doing. But my plan is that my behavior should prove outré’ enough, that if there is anything back of this, it’s sure to pull them out of the weeds.
Otherwise, it was a good time.
Disclaimer: I had been watching back-to-back Jason Borne movies, the night prior to this luncheon, (so I had my sightlines for exits, and had memorized the license plates of the 5-6 cars parked outside).
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27 Responses
“We talked about our backgrounds a bit, a little about Lincoln and how my opinion was that he was one of the worst Presidents we’ve ever had with several historical rationales. (Wasn’t counting the fraudulent Biden.)”
Lincoln was the worst president because he saved the Union and freed the slaves??
What sort of broken comprehension of American history do you have?
I included that first because I thought it was just the sort of red flag comment that would pull whatever was lurking there out of the weeds. Second, Lincoln, ignoring his Constitutional limitations, pressed us into the most devastating war in our history, in order to preserve his vision of the Union. He went directly against the stated nature of our own Declaration of Independence: “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” He did all of this in order to eliminate an institution (slavery) which was abolished by all of the other Western Nations within 50 years, or much sooner, and entirely by peaceful means. If that isn’t a massive Presidential failure, what is?
Your backwards looking crystal ball that you obviously got at Walmart is giving you bad info. Your know-it-all style reply to my comment makes you guilty of know-it-allism.
It must be nice to have such a simple view of complex historical events and issues and people. Complexity is too inconvenient, of course.
You knowitall types need to have it that way so you can proclaim your brilliance to the great unwashed not as well schooled in simplification as you.
It’s very comical but not surprising that you give one quote, and a backwards specious moral argument about “slavery would have disappeared if the Lincolnites had just left the Slave holders alone and go their own way” thus, in your simple analysis, making the war against slavery illegal and immoral.
You’re so smart you’re on the side of the issue and the wrong side of history.
Next time you get a backwards looking crystal ball to help you show everybody how smart you are be sure not to shop on price alone.
Oh, by the way, that fellow from your old bookclub WAS wearing a wire.
You only have to listen to a Trump supporter for a short amount of time to learn all sorts of thing you never previously knew about the world.
Like I was pretty amazed to learn from Trump’s followers that the mob that converged on the Capitol from every corner of the country dressed in combat gear and stormed it after hearing Trump incite them for an hour were actually just peaceful protestors. But that those peaceful protestors were really actually a mob and that they being controlled by the FBI. Learning that was pretty astounding and showed me just how little I understand of the things I see.
But to learn that Abraham Lincoln was a terrible president rather than a great statesman because he wouldn’t let the southerners have it their way regarding slavery and secession, well all I have to say is that is almost on a whole other level and one of the most astonishing things I have ever learned. That really makes me question the truthfulness of everything I was ever taught and my ability to make intelligent sense of reality.
I bow down to your obviously superior intelligence, Mr. Nelson, and join you in being utterly baffled as to why the rest of the country treats people like you like they’re deranged or something.
I see you often on these pages, and I think you might have rabies. I’d get it checked.
KOOLAID WARNING: readers will notice our resident government troll has resurfaced. “Koolaid” is trained to monitor the Iconoclast & start foaming at the mouth and personally insult the writer of any article which refers to Jan 6 or the 2020 election in any way other than “armed insurrection” & “100% fair”. He’s your classic conspiracy theorist, a real card, but always good for a laugh too. In his paranoid, fevered imagination, Trump was a Russian agent, the Hunter Biden laptop was “Russian disinformation”, January 6th was an “insurrection” and Trump hid nuclear secrets in his wife’s underwear after he left the white house.
It’s your comments that are always good for a laugh. You’re a clown and nothing more.
Ha Ha Ha … the clown conspiracy theorist speaks!
Why don’t you tell the readers why the security camera footage of the Capitol on Jan 6 has not been released in full to the public so they can make up their own minds about what happened on that day? Or why videos of people walking peacefully between the ropes inside the building were pulled from YouTube en masse? Or why “nr 17 most wanted insurrectionist” Ray Epps, caught on tape repeatedly urging protesters to “go into the capitol” has never been charged?
P.S. the one time we got a peak behind the curtains was when then Fox journalist Carlson released a small segment of the security camera, which showed police escorting people through the building and opening doors for them. And then all hell ensued: DP senate majority leader Schumer threw a public hissy fit, we saw no more footage and Carlson was fired a couple of months later. Certainly seems like someone has something to hide!
A fool spouting conspiracy theories, and contradictory ones at that, is calling other people conspiracy theorists. Amusing.
Ha ha ha … simple, simple questions. And all our troll can do is bluster and blurt “conspiracy theorist”!
Clearly he’s still badly infected with TDS.
But for ordinary folks who don’t subscribe to garbage like Trump is a “Russian spy” or the earth is flat, and who don’t like being lied to persistently, there are plenty of anomalies in the narratives we’re expected to believe unquestionably. Let’s take just one question from above: why are the public still not permitted to see the security camera footage of the Capitol on Jan 6?
This is a perfectly reasonable request for any country which calls itself a democracy. And it would set all doubts to rest one way or another. I wonder why it hasn’t been done? What’s to hide?
Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean you’re wrong or unjustified.
Thank you, Howard.
Treat others as you’d want them to treat you. You treated him like he was a person who’s amenable to reason — what more can be done? And who knows — may be, he is?
Thank you, Lev
We need some appropriate viewpoints from a man in the arena, in the crucible, and of panoramic parentage.
Let’s hear from Frederick Douglass — how did he consider Lincoln, warts and all, engaging events of Olympean high degrees of difficulty?
Did the populace weep and salute as his train of mortal remains passed in their view?
As part of the New World Order being imposed on humanity, starting after breakfast tomorrow, you all must:
— Do to yourself what you would do to others —
[ and don’t be so damn annoying ]
Call this ‘The Paean To The Attitude.’
I like that.
One might consider reading “The Real Lincoln,” by Thomas DiLorenzo?
Thank you for the reminder that the right has its fair share of people trying to denigrate and rewrite history to suit their aims. Very timely.
Mr Doesn’t Drink the Orange Koolaid is correct to criticize the recommendation of “The Real Lincoln.” It’s about as accurate as Mr. Carl Nelson’s reverse crystal ball. Here’s the selling stuff from Amazon:
“Most Americans consider Abraham Lincoln to be the greatest president in history. His legend as the Great Emancipator has grown to mythic proportions as hundreds of books, a national holiday, and a monument in Washington, D.C., extol his heroism and martyrdom. But what if most everything you knew about Lincoln were false? What if, instead of an American hero who sought to free the slaves, Lincoln were in fact a calculating politician who waged the bloodiest war in american history in order to build an empire that rivaled Great Britain’s? ”
How about that, most everything I thought I knew about Lincoln is totally false!!
Total b*llsh*t.
“Fair share” is a bit of a joke!
Let’s be honest. When it comes to “trying to denigrate and rewrite history” the right will NEVER get more than a tiny slice of the hack history market. The one thing the left excels at is lying, and in the area of history it’s not so much re-writing as simply making up utter nonsense: the total fabrication of “The 1619 Project” stands out, with it’s hack “journalist” author actually being award a Pulitzer Prize. And then of course the “journalists” who pushed the Russia Hoax for some 3 years(after pushing the lie about the Hunter Biden laptop) were also awarded (or awarded themselves) a Pulitzer Prize. This fabrication is all being written up as “history” as we speak. Who said crime doesn’t pay?
Bingo.
In wartime just about anything goes and may be rationalized.
Then again some things do not go, they remain, like water on seeds producing net gain.
https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-frederick-douglass-relation
At this point I would like to point out that leftists have demonized Lincoln as a racist. If you don’t believe me, look it up.
Torts and Warts — So what were Lincoln’s sins or missings of the bullseye, as president in wartime?
Violation of right of habeas corpus?
Violation of 1st Amendment rights ?
Violation of 9th & 10th Amendments re Nullification of of States’ right to secede if Federal government violates conditions of federation?
What were the SCOTUS decisions on these matters, and possible effects on Union survival and Federal authority?
Would 1940s Japan and Germany and USSR been pleased with our bisection?
What were the agreed to priorities of interpretation ‘solved’ by the war?
Can we at least agree to allow Washington DC to secede if it continues to bleed us in its RobinHood?
No matter the subject matter of or for discussion, statements like “most Americans,” or most people may not correlate to truth? Consensus does not mean “most Americans” are right in their view. We are all the products, myself included, of what we have been fed and taught throughout our lives, and it has been my experience that many have a tough time accepting anything other than the “accepted narrative.” Have a great day gents, and a tip of the hat to our veterans for their service.
Ok guys we’re all in agreement, right? Next group therapy session will be at Baldovan’s digs with DDoK supplying the refreshments. If Carl attempts to toss what he lovingly calls a “Murphy’s tootsie roll” into the punch bowl again let me know immediately. And speaking of Canucks, where were Cordon, Solway and Clarfield tonight?