Dispatches - Undercover Mosque

CHANNEL 4 (UK) (8-9PM GMT) 15 JANUARY 2007


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Narrator (N): A Dispatches investigation has uncovered a fundamentalist message spreading from the Saudi Arabian religious establishment through mosques run by major UK organisations which claim to be dedicated to moderation and to dialogue with other faiths.


Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham is a high profile mosque and one we’d heard receives theological guidance from Saudi Arabia. Our reporter went undercover last summer joining thousands of worshippers. He’s staying anonymous.


Soundtrack from video dated 12 August 2006, voice of preacher, Abu Usama (AU):


AU: “The theme of today’s lecture is don’t believe in arrests of alleged terrorists without proof as non-Muslims are liars … I don’t believe them because they are kuffaar and lying is part of their religion.”


N: Kuffaar is an Arabic word meaning: non-believer, an infidel (generic meaning: non-Muslim) –


AU: “Those kuffaar, they do whatever they want to do.”


N: It’s a term our reporter was to hear being repeatedly used in a derogatory way


AU: “They are liars, they are terrorists themselves. They will come before the people and talk and they are lying, you can’t believe them … These are pathological liars.”


N: Green Lane Mosque calls itself a centre for inter-faith communications welcoming people of all religions, but our reporter filmed there over four months and found this speaker, Abu Usama, was their main English language speaker. He says Christians and Jews are enemies to Muslims.


AU: “It has come to pass that the Christians and the Jews, America, the UK, France, Germany, they have come against the religion of Islam. Why give up your religion and your long legacy of Islam to please someone who is an enemy to you?”


Abu Usama is an (African) American convert, and a very popular speaker at Green Lane. He preaches against non-Muslim laws –


AU: “We want our Islam and its laws to be practised. We want to do away with the man-made laws.”


N: And says British popular culture is a threat –


AU: “The popular culture, if you are a person who gives yourself to that, your mind is going to be controlled by the so-called powers that be who make these man-made laws.”


N: Green Lane’s official website (Green Lane Masjid) says the mosque is designed to counter the negative publicity and stereotyping of Islam. But after a few weeks, our reporter was told by fellow worshippers, how to access another, much more difficult to find, internet chatroom. It’s run by Green Lane Mosque and broadcasts Abu Usama’s speeches live to a small band of listeners. He says Muslims should obey British laws and contracts if they don’t contradict Islam. But he condemns non-believers –


AU (Green Lane Mosque internet broadcast): “No one loves the kuffaar. No one loves the kuffaar! … Not a single person here from the Muslims loves the kuffaar. Whether these kuffaar are from the UK, or from the US … We love the people of Islam and we hate the people of the kufr. We hate the kuffaars.”


N: Filmed under cover, he says he does not agree with the violent actions of the terrorists, but he prefers them to non-Muslims –


AU: “I don’t agree with those individuals (terrorists). But at the same time they’re closer to me than those criminals of the kufr… (Green Lane Mosque internet broadcast) He’s better than a million George Bushes Osama bin Laden. He’s better than a thousand Tony Blairs, because he’s a Muslim.”


N: The Mosque film some of Usama’s speeches and they are sold locally as DVDs. In this one (‘The Major Sins’*; Ahlus Sunna Productions 2005), he says even Muslims who don’t follow their strict rules can be ostracised kaffirs –


AU: “If you leave off the prayers out of negligence then you are a kaffir. If he dies like that you have to bury him with the kuffar. You can’t marry him.”


N:  He preaches an ideal Islamic state –


AU: “Muslims shouldn’t be satisfied with living in other than the total Islamic State.”


N: His vision of the Islamic State includes extreme punishment as he outlines in this DVD (‘The Major Sins’*) 


AU: “Whoever changes his religion from al-Islam to anything else kill him in the Islamic State.”


 N: The religious leader, or imam, can decide the punishments –


AU: “If the imam wants to crucify him he should crucify him. The person is put up on the wood and he’s left there to bleed to death for three days.”


N: Abu Usama condemns the western interpretation of free speech which means the Prophet can be insulted but he can be censored –


AU: “If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs that should be murdered, that’s my freedom of speech isn’t it? They’ll say: “No”, I’m not tolerant. But they feel that it’s okay to say something about the Prophet.” 


N: Our reporter has found these views being regularly preached at the head mosque of a major Muslim organisation. Green Lane Mosque Birmingham is the headquarters of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK a British charity that runs 40 UK mosques and branches as well as part time Islamic schools. It’s an influential affiliate of the Muslim Council of Britain which has praised it as a national body respected for its educational and outreach programmes. But our reporter secretly filmed Abu Usama 

teaching that a jihad is coming against the unbelievers. 


AU: “Verily Allah is going to bring a group of people that he loves and they love him. These people will be soft and kind to the believers, and they will be rough and tough against the kuffaar. They will fight in the cause of Allah. I encourage all of you to be amongst them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fastly approaching where the tables are going to turn, and the Muslims are going to be in a position of being uppermost in strength, and when that happens people won’t get killed, unjustly.”


N: After a few weeks our reporter learns that Green Lane worshippers get regular religious instruction direct from Saudi Arabia. Live two-way video links are set up. Projected onto the wall is the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia (image of him from Ahmah Hajj Saudi TV 2006). He is the country’s top religious leader now being beamed live to worshippers in Birmingham. They ask questions through an interpreter and get fatwas, religious rulings. By now our reporter has become a regular at the Mosque. The man who supervises the video links tells him they have recorded them:


- Mosque worker: We actually record it all onto DVD.

- Reporter: You do?

- Mosque worker: Yeah. What we’ll do is, you know, whatever the cost of the DVD is whatever, you just contribute to it … These are the masters yeah, whatever you want to do is fine.


N:  The DVD shows a Birmingham worshipper who asks the Grand Mufti (Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh) for a fatwa about understanding between Muslims and other religions –


Questioner (Saudi Broadcast June 2006) via interpreter: “Some people say we shouldn’t call Christians and Jews kuffaar and we should establish good relations with them. What’s your answer to this?


N: His answer is uncompromising.


Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia (blind Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh standing at microphone) interpreter’s voice: “This is not true. Jews and Christians who do not follow the Prophet Muhammed are kuffaar. They will go to hell.”


N: He says Muslims can’t help unbelievers.


Grand Mufti: “Anyone who helps or defends an apostate, or a pagan, or atheist, or anyone who attacks Islam will be cursed.”


N: Green Lane Mosque is spreading a brand of Islam originating in Saudi Arabia often known as Wahhabism. It’s a hard line theology opposed by many British Muslims. Academic Dr Irfan Al Alawi (IAA, Islamic Heritage Foundation) investigates Wahhabism. He keeps his face hidden in interviews because of the dangers of his work -


IAA: “Wahhabism believes you cannot show tolerance to other religions. So the religion of Islam has to rule the world. Green Lane in Birmingham that mosque is one of the extreme Wahhabi centres in the UK.”


N: Wahhabism is opposed to the traditional tolerant beliefs of classical Islam according to leading Muslim academic Abdal-Hakim Murad (A-HM, Cambridge University; British Caucasian male) –


A-HM: “Its principle is totalitarian, it’s highly judgemental, it has no track record of dealing with other sorts of Islam, or with unbelievers, with any kind of respect. If you are outside the small circle of the true believers you’re going to hell and therefore you should be treated with contempt.”


N: Non-believers are called kaffirs, or kuffaar. It’s a term they use as an insult according to moderate British Muslims like Dr Taj Hargey (TH, Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford) -


TH: “The term kaffir is a very pejorative, negative, disparaging term when you call someone a kaffir they are not worthy to be associated with. This kind of intolerance is something that gives rise to extremists.”


N: Many children were present at the Green Lane lectures our reporter filmed where intolerance and bigotry were openly preached. In a DVD of a conference at Green Lane Mosque a preacher called Sheikh Al Jibali (AJ) says Muslim children should be kept away from non-Muslims (‘Preparing to Stand Before Allah’; Ahlus Sunna Productions 2004) –


AJ: “What is sad to see is that for many parents, they send their children to the kuffaar school, they allow them to mix with the kuffaar, so that the lifestyle and the beliefs of the kuffaar become deep rooted in the hearts of the kids.”


N: In a fatwa given in the video links the Grand Mufti says children should be hit if they don’t pray –


Grand Mufti (see above; Saudi Broadcast May 2006): “Tell your children to pray when they are seven and hit them when they are ten.”


N: The Al-e-Hadith’s website (screen shows www.tellmeaboutislam.com) directs readers to literature which says Islam confers equal rights upon all regardless of sex (or colour; TV screen only). But in a crackly internet broadcast Abu Usama says women are deficient –


AU: “Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a Phd, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete. Deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal one witness of the man.”


N: Saudi-based clerics in the video links preach male supremacy –


(Saudi TV imam May 2006): “Men are in charge of women, wherever he goes she should follow him and she shouldn’t be allowed to leave the house without his permission.


N: Sheikh Al Jibali says the hijab must be enforced on young girls, if necessary with violence.


AJ (‘Preparing to Stand Before Allah’; Ahlus Sunna Productions 2004): “By the age of ten it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear the hijab. And if she does not wear hijab we hit her.


N: Our reporter secretly filmed this preacher (video image), Dr Bilal Philips (BP), giving religious rulings at Green Lane. In a speech in the Mosque, which was also broadcast in the internet chatroom, he claims marrying off a girl before puberty is permissible. He claims the Prophet Mohammed married a nine-year-old girl so it’s permissible now.


BP: “The Prophet Mohammed practically outlined the rules regarding marriage prior to puberty with his practise he clarified what is permissible and that is why we shouldn’t have any issues about an older man marrying a younger woman which is looked down upon by this society today. But we know that the Prophet Mohammed practised it, it wasn’t abuse or exploitation, it was marriage.”


N: Dr Philips told us we had quoted him out of context. And he said he was not advocating that Muslims go against the laws of the UK. Muslims living in non-Muslim countries are obliged to abide by the laws of the country.

Abu Usama (AU) quotes what he says are the words of the companion of the Prophet on the Islamic punishment for homosexuality –


AU: “Do you practise homosexuality with men? Take that homosexual man and throw him off the mountain.”


N: And in a DVD (‘Preparing to Stand Before Allah’, Ahlus Sunna Productions 2004) he attacks the idea of gay rights –


AU: “They have given them unprecedented rights, so that your child can be exposed and introduced to lesbians. Now they say if you discriminate against that you’re going to jail.”


N: He says Muslims should discriminate –


AU: “By Allah, he will discriminate but he will discriminate in a way where we don’t get into trouble. The Muslim is a dentist, one of these people come and want to take a big big needle and stick it in his gum.” (laughter)


N: Then he says it’s a joke as it might get the Mosque into trouble –


AU: “Because they will take this qallam (sic) and get us all into trouble.”


N: On the anniversary of the 7th July bombings a speech by Abu Usama was broadcast in the Green Lane chatroom condemning terrorism –


Abu Usama (AU): “We want to make an official statement here. No way are we in agreement to what took place last year on this day in the kuffaar calendar.”


N: But he does believe in jihad - 


AU: “But in saying that we do not apologise for any aspect of this religion. There is jihad in al-Islam. What’s the most beloved and favourite thing to Allah? Jihad is the way of Allah.”


N: He says the real jihad will come when the senior Islamic clerics declare it and prays it will come soon


AU: “We ask Allah to bring about the means and the ways in which the Muslims will get the power and the honour of repelling the oppression of the kuffaar, where we can go out and perform the jihad. We ask Allah to bring that time so we can be participants in that.”


N: Abu Usama told us, ‘Islam allows for any Muslim to peacefully coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims, even though the UK is not an Islamic society.’ He said he had made it clear that it is a religious duty on all Muslim to obey UK law and the carrying out of Islamic law could only be done in an actual Islamic State. He said -


AU: “Homosexuality is an abomination against Allah, and all mankind, and I will never condone it. Even though this is the case, I do not believe in disobeying the law when it comes to the way people deal with homosexuals.”


N: A hard line message influenced by Saudi Arabian clerics is preached at Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham. An imam from the Mosque has helped advise the government. Abdul Hadi (AH) sat on a government task force on extremism set up after the 7th July bombings. He was part of its working group on combating extremism in mosques and imams, yet this DVD (‘Preparing to Stand Before Allah’, Ahlus Sunnah Productions 2004) shows he took part in a Green Lane Conference in which other speakers urged Muslims to discriminate against homosexuals and hit girls who didn’t wear the hijab. He seemed to have no worries at the extremism of the message -


AH: “It is very hard to conclude such a beautiful programme but we have to do.”


N: The head of the working group on mosques and imams was Lord Nazeer Ahmed (NA), Britain’s first Muslim Peer. He’s previously praised Green Lane Mosque. In an interview with BBC Radio in 2003 he named it as his favourite spiritual place in the country - 


NA: “No20 Green Lane Birmingham is my favourite spiritual place.”


N: He said he’d worshipped there -


NA: “This is the most amazing place. When I walk into the mosque I feel I’m entering the biggest Palace on earth.”


N: Lord Ahmed has recently said that he would ask the Lord Chancellor to meet an organisation called the Islamic Shari’a Council including its Secretary General a preacher called Sheikh Shuaib Hasan (SH). The meeting would be to discuss the introduction of Islamic divorce laws into the UK Constitution. Our reporter secretly filmed Sheikh Hasan speaking at Green Lane Mosque. He’s a senior imam at a major mosque in East London, and a former President of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith (UK). In a speech downloaded from his mosque website (video shows Masjid and Madrasah al-Tawhid), he proclaims the supremacy of Muslims in encounters with the non-believers -


(Audio from Masjid Al-Tawhid internet broadcast www.masjidtawhid.com)

SH: “With Allah in our midst he works fast, DOWN, and he works to give us supreme (sic).”


N: In speeches on other Islamic websites he predicts the coming of an Islamic State -


SH: “Allah has decreed this thing that I am going to be dominant. The dominance, of course, is a political dominance.”


N: The Islamic State he predicts will have a single lifelong ruler with no opposition parties or elections, and it will bring in a strict version of Islamic law -


SH: “The chopping of the hands of the thieves, the flogging of the adulterers.”


N: Then the State will launch a jihad –


SH: “Then jihad against the non-Muslims, against those people who are the oppressors.”


N: Sheikh Hasan told us that the term kuffaar is not a racist or a derogatory term when heard in its Koranic sense. He said he’d stated many times that the re-establishment of a single Islamic State would be peaceful. He said he had often praised the British welfare state, its judicial, health, and education systems. He said:


SH: “I have never promoted any form of extremism whether religious or otherwise, or justified violence in conditions of peace.”


N: Lord Ahmed told us that Green Lane Mosque was one of many mosques he had visited, he said that it would be ludicrous to suggest that by visiting an institution ‘I become responsible for, or aware of, every word spoken at that establishment.’ He said he had asked for the meeting with the Lord Chancellor on behalf of all Muslims and he said he was not aware of all the views held by Sheikh Hasan.

Next, we investigate claims that radicalism linked to the Saudi religious establishment has spread across the country, even reaching into Britain’s biggest and most mainstream mosque.






N: A Dispatches reporter investigated one of Britain’s biggest and most mainstream mosques, Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham, uncovering a fundamentalist ideology emanating from the Saudi religious establishment. He found it promoting male supremacy -


(Abu Usama, see above) “Allah has created the woman deficient”,

(Al Jibali, above) “And if she doesn’t wear hijab we hit her.”


N: Condemning non-Muslims –


(see Abu Usama above): “We hate the kuffaar. We do not give obedience to the kuffaar.”


N: To jihad –


(see AU above) “The tables are going to turn, and the Muslims are going to be in a position of being uppermost in strength.”


N: Now he wants to discover how preachers trained in Saudi Arabia are spreading the same message around the country. Last summer a two week Islamic Studies course was arranged at the mosque and our reporter was accepted onto it. It was to be taught by clerics flown especially from the University of Medina in Saudi Arabia. But then it was cancelled at short notice. Our reporter went to their office to find out more. The preacher Abu Usama tells him what the aim of the course was –


AU: “From what I know is people were going to come to teach the course from Saudi Arabia. Part of the programme was the students who did good, like the first three or top five students, get a scholarship to go, that was part of the conditions they had agreed with the professors who were coming because the professors are from the University.


- Reporter: “Of Medina?” 


- AU: “Yes.”


N: The most devout students at Green Lane are being offered scholarships to Saudi religious universities.


AU (to reporter): “It’s for people like you.”


N: The aim is to train new preachers, according to Dr Irfan Al Alawi (IAA, see above), who keeps his face hidden during interviews –


IAA (Islamic Heritage Foundation): “Medina University is a very hard core Wahhabi institution. Over the years they have been giving bursaries to students from the UK and the world, to recruit students to be brainwashed, then they are trained to go abroad teach their poison and inject it into others.”


N: Medina graduates are now spreading the word in mosques up and down the UK. Like Dr Bilal Philips who says marrying girls before they reach puberty is permissible (see above). Sheikh Shuaib Hasan who preaches a future Muslim supremacy, and Abu Usama himself (see above) -


Abdal-Hakim Murad (Cambridge University; see above): “This is one of the most important items on the Saudi radical agenda, to push out more hospitable types of religious leadership and replace them with firebrands, trained and programmed in the major Saudi universities.


N: Our reporter finds that Saudi-trained preachers are being promoted in DVDs and CDs throughout the UK. He found typical examples being sold in the car park at Green Lane Mosque. Children are buying them. He buys a DVD of Sheikh Feiz (Feiz Mohammed, FM (Australian-born Arab); ‘Death Series’, Islam Productions) another Medina-trained preacher in which he preaches jihad -


FM: “the peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam, is Jihad.”


N: He criticises Muslim parents who don’t want their children to learn this -


FM: “Today, many parents, they prevent their children from attending lessons. Why? They fear that they might create a place in their hearts, the love, just a bit of the love, of sacrificing their lives for Allah there (points to heaven) ….We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach ‘em this: that there is nothing more beloved to me, than wanting to die as a Mujahid. Put in their soft tender heart the zeal of jihad, and the love of martyrdom.”


N: The Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, which runs Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham, told us it is committed to promoting interfaith dialogue and political harmony in our society. Scholars from many different backgrounds spoke at its mosque and we had quoted them out of context. It had not known what each speaker would say beforehand and did not necessarily agree with everything that may have been said. It said the word kuffaar was a neutral term and said –


MJA-e-H: “We reject the assertion that we are influenced by, and teach, an extreme version of Islam. We accept the rule of law and we treat our non-Muslim neighbours with respect.”


N: The most notorious convert to preach in Britain was Sheikh (Abdullah) al-Faisal (AF, Jamaica-born), who studied Islam at Riyadh University. He circulated his own tapes (“Them v Us”, speaker Sheikh Faisal; “No Peace With The Jews”), urging followers to kill and plant bombs, and was jailed for inciting racial hatred -


AF: “You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews, you kill them physically.”


N: In an interview with the BBC al-Faisal claimed that he learnt his anti-Semitic views from his University training in Saudi Arabia -


AF: “I learnt in University that the Holocaust was orchestrated in order that the Jews will establish a homeland in Arab territories.”


N: The war to convert is waged on the internet (www.fatwa-online.com; www.islamtoday.com; www.islamqa.com). This website says that it is run by an Islamic charity which is based in Saudi Arabia (onscreen: “whoever changes his religion is to be killed”). It directs readers to a fatwa website which it says is supervised by a Saudi scholar (IslamQA; Shaykh: Muhammed S. al-Munajjid supervisor). Readers can email in questions and get religious rulings (screen shows: Ruling on one who insults …). The rulings say -


 IQA: “Muslims in the West must have an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaffirs” …“All of kuffaar are the enemies of the Muslims.”


N: Jihad -


IQA (site reads: “Rulings on Jihad”): “Pursuing the kaffirs in their lands and fighting them if they do not submit to the rule of Islam (“a communal obligation”).”


N: Is a communal obligation on Muslims –


IQA: “Men are superior to women, and better than women, and husbands can hit their wives though only lightly.”


N: They recommend –


IQA: “Prodding with the fist.”


N: DVDs, books, and the internet are all ways that the message is spread according to Saudi expert Mai Yamani (MY; female Saudi author) -


MY: “Since the 1980s there has been an increase in the export of Wahhabi teachings to the Muslim world, from Kosovo to Jakarta and the United States and Great Britain supercharged with oil money. They sent in money for teachers, for schools, they printed books, educated imams, so it’s like a wave of teachings hitting at the shores of western countries.”


N: Islamic bookshops in Britain are offered free literature –


Abdal-Hakim Murad (Cambridge see A-HM above): “A number of bookshops known to me have actually gone out of business because they’ve been undercut by the more fundamentalist literature that is being supplied for free by Saudi Arabia.”


Dr Taj Hargey (see TH above) set up the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford to promote an Islam tolerant of peaceful coexistence. He’s opposed to Saudi influence over British Muslim life –


TH: “The Saudi funding of British Muslim institutions come from a variety of official, semi-official, and private sources, in addition to government funding through the Ministry of Religious Affairs and other government agencies.”


N: Money from Saudi has reached the most famous mosque in Europe, London’s Central Mosque, better known as Regent’s Park Mosque, is the most recognisable symbol of moderate mainstream life in Britain. It says it acts on behalf of the whole Muslim community in dealing with the government. The Saudi monarchy gave £2 million to help build it. And, in the 1990s, they built its educational and administrative wing. The Mosque’s official bookshop is run by a company called Dar-us-Salam Publications, it’s a British company, but it’s linked to Dar-us-Salam International Publications, a global publishing house whose head office is in Saudi Arabia. Our reporter visited and bought another video (‘Signs of the Hour’, Islam Productions) of Sheikh Feiz (see FM above), the Saudi trained preacher, condemning the non-believer –


FM: “kaffir y’allatif (sic)… the worst word that can ever be written … a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt.”


N: He calls Jews pigs who will be killed when the end of the world comes  -


FM: “This creature will say, Oh Muslim, Behind me is the Jew, Come and kill him.” (quote from Volume 4, Book 52, nos.176-7 of the Sahih Bukhari edition of the Hadith (traditional sayings/deeds) of the Prophet Mohammed entitled: “Fighting the Cause of Allah (Jihad)”) … “They’ll be (FM makes pig snorting noises, then smiles), all of them, every single one of them.


N: Regular interfaith meetings with other religions take place at this mosque, yet in a DVD (‘Changing The World Through The Da’wah’; IBC Ltd/Islam Productions) bought from its bookshop, a British-based (African-American) convert called Sheikh Khalid Yasin (KY), who studied Arabic in Saudi Arabia, condemns the teachings of other religions -


KY: “We don’t need to go to the Christians, or the Jews, debating with them about the filth which they believe … We Muslims have been ordered to do ‘brainwashing’ because the kuffaar … they are doing ‘braindefiling’ … You are watching the kaffir TVs, and your wife is watching right now, and your children are watching it right now, and they are being polluted, and they are being penetrated, and they are being infected, so that your children and you go out as Muslims and come back to the house as kaffirs.


N: In this DVD (entitled: ‘Some Advice To The Muslim Woman’; Islam Productions), from the Mosque bookshop, he preaches against the equality of women 


KY: “This whole delusion about the equality of women is a bunch of foolishness, there’s no such thing.”


N: In this DVD (entitled: ‘Jihad or Terrorism?’, Ahlus Sunna’wal Jama’ah), he claims that AIDS is a Western and Christian plot -


KY: “No, missionaries from the World Health Organisation and Christian groups went into Africa and inoculated people for diphtheria, malaria, yellow fever, and they put in the medicine the AIDS virus, which is a conspiracy.” (his emphasis)


N: The Mosque bookshop sells speeches by the Green Lane Mosque preacher Abu Usama (see AU above). In this one (‘Natural Disasters’ WISE, Islamic Centre), he says Muslims and non-Muslims cannot coexist –


AU: “The Muslim and the non-Muslim they cannot coexist. One of them is going to impact the other one. Non-Muslims have the authority and they have the power, their lifestyles are going to impact upon the Muslims, because the good and the bad they do not coexist.”


N: And they sell audio CDs of Murtaza Khan (MK) a preacher who speaks in many UK mosques. He is also an Islamic Studies teacher at Al-Noor Muslim Primary School in Essex. In this CD (‘Time To Return to The Quran’, Knowledge Books and Audio), from the Mosque, he claims the Koran condemns Jews and Christians –


MK: “Those whom the wrath of God is upon is the Jew, is the Christian.”


(video clip from ‘21st Century Pharaohs’, Ahlussuman Wal’Jama’ah; MK preaching)


N: And he criticises Muslims who follow their ways –


MK: “We’ve become Jews in our clothing, Jews in our eating, Jews in everything that we do. And the other half is Christian in everything that they do. Muslims are following one of these accursed nations. And people are still not waking up to understand the fact that these people are enemies towards us.”


N: He says (in ‘The Spiritual Solution to Materialism’, Knowledge Books and Audio), Muslims should become doctors so women don’t have to go to non-Muslim doctors –



MK: “We should have a sense of shame. For how long have we seen that our mothers, our sisters and our daughters have to go and uncover themselves in front of these filthy non-Muslim doctors? 


(video of biography: graduate of Islamabad University June 2001, Islamic religious teaching and preaching)


N: Murtaza Khan told us -


MK: “My discourses have never been delivered with the intent to malign any individual, group, or race. They are delivered to inspire Muslims to better themselves, and then to play a positive role for their own and wider community in Britain.” (see above)


N: Al-Noor Muslim Primary School told us -


We can confirm that Mr M Khan is employed as a teacher at Al-Noor Primary School and can also categorically state that the alleged remarks … do not reflect the views of this educational establishment. No extreme or discriminatory views are expressed or taught at our school by any of our teachers.”


N: Dar-us-Salam International Publications Ltd, which runs the Mosque bookshop, told us it sells a wide range of material and did not necessarily agree with it. It said it was totally unfair to blame them for the views expressed in the lectures.


N: The current Director-General of the Regent’s Park Mosque Dr Al-Dubayan (Al-D) is from Saudi Arabia. A recent employment tribunal, concerning a sex discrimination complaint at the Mosque, revealed they had no jurisdiction over Dr Al-Dubayan because he’s actually a serving Saudi diplomat. Dr Al-Dubayan told his diplomatic status had been extended to him as a courtesy by the Saudi Arabian government following his appointment as with his predecessors of different nationalities. He said the Mosque bookshop was run independently and he was seriously concerned to hear that inappropriate materials may be on offer. The materials had been removed immediately until it was ascertained whether they were damaging to the principles of tolerance, multiculturalism, and equal rights. He said –


Al-D: “It is false and misleading to make the sweeping generalisation that religious teachings from Saudi Arabia promote extremism and it is also false to assert that the ICC (London Islamic Cultural Centre) is dominated by the influence of such teachings.”


N: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia told us –


     “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state, governed in accordance with

        the teachings of the Shari’a. Islam is a religion of tolerance and respects the   

        human rights of all people, regardless of gender, age, religion or race. Islam

        is a religion without national borders. There is no such thing as “the

        religious establishment” in Saudi Arabia. Here, as in every society, one can

        find extremists, as well as conservatives and moderates. Saudi Arabia does not   

        support radical or extreme ideology but strongly condemns all those seeking

        to politicise Islam: preaching, inciting, or fostering hatred and violence, or

        legitimising terrorist activities. To this end, many imams have been re-

        educated in recent years and a misguided few have been dismissed. Any

        financial donations, public or private, are scrutinised according to the highest

        international standards to ensure that no funds are sent to extremist groups. Saudi

       Arabia has pioneered calls for greater international cooperation for the exchange

       of timely and specific information.”


N: Haras Rafik (HR) heads the Sufi Muslim Council, which promotes a tolerant Islam, and is opposed to the spread of radical teachings –


HR: “Wahhabis, and their offshoots, are teaching Muslim youngsters to be isolationist, they’re teaching Muslim youngsters that America and Britain are against them and therefore they need to get up and fight with them, or struggle against them.”


A-HM (above): “Some Wahhabis believe that this is how the West is to be brought down by spreading Wahhabism in the heart of the West’s cities.”


N: Next we find radicalism openly preached at a major mosque run by an organisation praised by Tony Blair for its support of multi-culturalism and inter-faith work. (video of UK Islamic Mission sign)






N: A Dispatches reporter has uncovered a message of bigotry and intolerance spreading through Britain from the Saudi religious establishment.


FM (above): “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers … Put in their soft tender heart the zeal of jihad.”


N: Now he was to find more radical speakers preaching in a mosque run by a major organisation praised by Tony Blair for its inter-faith work. By filming undercover our reporter met this preacher: Dr Ijaz Mian (IM). He’s a travelling speaker who talks at different organisations in Britain. Our reporter filmed his talk at a mosque run by the Ahl-e-Hadith organisation in Derby. It’s the same organisation that runs Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham, which our reporter found promoting extreme teachings. Dr Mian praises the Saudi religious police saying they can imprison people for not praying –


IM: “They send the police and they say, “Well, if you don’t come for prayers, close your shop! We will arrest you. But if you don’t, then we have to bring the punishment on you. You will be killed, and nobody will pray for you.”


N: Dr Mian is yet another UK preacher who has taught in Saudi Arabia. He spent six years studying Islam in Ibn Saud University in Riyadh. He wants to see religious police operating on the streets -


IM: “They would make sure that every person prays to Allah. Five times. Every woman would be covered from the top to the toes. Hijab, otherwise the police will just collect them.”


N: He has a radical plan for this country: Muslims shouldn’t accept British  democracy -


IM: “Everywhere, King, Queen, House of Commons … if you accept it then you are part of it. You don’t accept it … but you have to dismantle it … So, you being a Muslim you have to fix it up (onscreen subtitles say: fix a target; either could be correct). There will be no House of Commons. From that White House to this Black House, we know that we have to dismantle it.”


N: Muslims must grow in strength then take over -


IM: “You are in a much of a situation (sic) in which you have to live like a state within a state ‘til you take over. But until this happens you have to preach … until you become in such a force that the people just, just submit to you, hands up (raises his hands above his head in surrender) … until you become strong enough that to take over (sic).”


N: It’s an extreme vision that Muslims will one day take over Britain and bring about an Islamic State with Shari’a Law. Dr Mian invites our reporter to visit Birmingham where he’s based –


IM: “We can come to you, you can come to us.”


N: He takes him up on the offer, and a few weeks later they meet (video of their meeting) in Birmingham. Dr Mian takes him to Sparkbrook Islamic Centre (Jamia Mosque, Sparkbrook), where he wants to arrange a talk. The Centre is run by the UK Islamic Mission (UKIM; Birmingham Central Branch, Sparkbrook Islamic Centre), a major organisation dedicated to inter-faith work. This is their annual conference last year in Birmingham (video clip; large banner reads: ISLAM THE MESSAGE OF PEACE). It runs over 45 mosques and branches in Britain and has 6,000 children in its part-time Islamic schools. The Prime Minister has said the UKIM “is extremely valued by the government particularly for its multi-faith and multi-cultural activities.” (video of letter from Downing Street signed by Tony Blair PM)


N: Yet despite his radical views, Dr Miad has worked with the UKIM, and given talks at its events. At their annual conference he was a guest onstage (video of him onstage). Today he’s making a presentation to the UKIM Committee at the Sparkbrook Islamic Centre: He suggests that the Committee invites a small group of non-Muslims to the Mosque and tries to convert them. –


IM: “Every kaffir has a right to Islam.”


N: He says Muslims cannot accept non-Muslim rule.


IM: “You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir, kufr. We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.”


N: Although his radical beliefs are obvious the UKIM Committee is happy to go ahead with his talk –


Committee Member: “If we invite people would you be available to speak to them?”


IM: “Of course, of course, this is my full-time duty.”


Committee member: “We will organise it.”


N: The UKIM hosts regular inter-faith events at this mosque. Yet when our reporter joined the worshippers at Sparkbrook for a Friday sermon he heard the UKIM imam preaching against non-Muslims –


UKIM imam (via interpreter): “God help us win the fight against the kuffaar, in every field, in every department of life. We beg you to help us fight against the enemies of our religion. Help us fight the kuffaar.


N: The UKIM runs Da’wa, or missionary centres, which spread the word. Our reporter visits one of them at Alum Rock Islamic Centre in Birmingham, to see what kind of materials they circulate -


- Reporter: “Is the Da’wa Centre open upstairs?”

- Mosque worker: “Yes, what do you want?”

- Reporter: “I’m looking for some books.”

- Mosque worker: “Ok, yes.”


N: He’s given some free leaflets -


- Mosque worker: “You can take this one.”

- Reporter: “Ok.”

- Mosque worker: “If you want to start with these. These are easy to understand for everybody who doesn’t know anything about Islam (titles shown: ‘Dying and Living for Islam’; ‘Let Us Be Muslims’; ‘The Islamic Way of Life’)


N: The bio of(?) Pakistani religious leader called Syed (Abdul A’la) Maududi (1903-1979): He was the founder of a fundamentalist political party in Pakistan called Jamaat-e-Islami (The Islamic Society/Party; founded 1941). The UKIM literature outlines his radical message -


 Islam is a Revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world.” (originally from Syed Maududi’s ‘Jihad in Islam’ p8; 1939)


N: Muslims form an “International Revolutionary Party”, the pamphlets contain some of the ideas that Dr Mian preaches, that Muslims must work towards doing away with all non-Islamic governments and set up an Islamic State. (video shows book entitled: “Jihad fi Sabilillah” (‘Jihad in Islam’) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, And those who reject Faith fight in the Cause of Evil”” (al-Taghut; Al-Qur’an 4:76).  (NB: Accurate translation should read: “The true believers fight for the cause of Allah, but the infidels fight for idols.” Sura 4:76 (The Koran, NJ Dawood; 1974))


N: The party Maududi founded, Jamaat-e-Islami, has links with the Saudi religious establishment. Although it stands in Pakistan elections, its aim is to set up an Islamic State run by Shari’a Law. The man who runs the missionary centre in Birmingham says the UKIM is an independent organisation with its own objectives, but he says, they follow the same ideology as the Jamaat-e-Islami - 


UKIM missionary head Birmingham: “Ideologically we are affiliated to Jamaat-e-Islami.

Reporter – “The same ideology?”

UKIM – “Yeah, you can say that, same ideology.”


N: He claims the UKIM shares the same ideology with other fundamentalist organisations like Hamas in Palestine, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt - 


UKIM: “Some are in Pakistan, some are in Egypt. Wherever they are the ideology is the same. So you can say our ideology is the same with them.”

Reporter: “Thank you very much.”


N: Our reporter finds the UKIM accepts money from Saudi Sheikhs. Every week at its Sparkbrook Mosque a list of donors is read out –


Mosque worker reading from list: Saudi Arabian professor Sheikh …”


 N:  Our reporter attended a day of talks arranged at the UKIM Sparkbrook Mosque. When we contacted the UKIM they said they’d hired their Centre out to another organisation who arranged this event. In public the UKIM has told Muslims they can participate in British democracy. And it invited politicians to its annual conference last summer in Birmingham -


Labour Party politician (unidentified British male Caucasian): “I’m here as a friend of Islam and as a Labour politician.”


N: But in the day of talks in their mosque invited preachers condemned democracy


Muslim preacher/speaker: “Today we find ourselves bearing the brunt of a pervasive attack against Islam … Trying to win the hearts and the minds of the Muslim’im over (sic), to become advocates and supporters of a democratic system. There never will the Jews (sic) and the Christians be happy with you, until you follow their way, and you follow their system, and you follow their way of life. Call the people to avoid and renounce the way of the Jews and the Christians which is a mina (way/port) of freedom, which is a way of equality, which is a mina (port) of democracy.”  (port into a sea of chaos/infidelity)


N: The next speaker is introduced as the Deputy Headmaster of Darul Uloom Islamic High School (Birmingham Jami Masjid Islamic and Community Centre), a single- faith secondary school in Birmingham. The government has urged single-faith schools to promote tolerance, inclusion, and understanding between different sections of society –


Deputy Head (shouting): “They talk about integration. There is an overt as well as covert plan, a programme, they talk about, they talk about (sic), ‘you need to integrate’, if you don’t you’re a freak, you’re strange, there’s something wrong with you! Like, like (sic) if you have something against homosexuality they’ve got a name to call you now. You’re a “homophobic” man! There’s something wrong with you! Not with this gay, sorry, a homosexual (laughter). Which part of this society are we supposed to adopt as our life? Which one?


N: His criticism of Western society even extended to democracy itself -


Deputy Head (still shouting): “And they’ve got all these people and all these organisations talking about it. Let’s be de-mo-cratic. And I disagree with using the word democracy, they should call upon the Islamic understanding of the word which is “kuffocracy”, “kuffocracy” that’s their plan – this is the hidden cancerous aim of these people.”


N: Darul Uloom School told us that the Deputy Headmaster no longer worked at the school, and said his views did not represent the school’s. The former Deputy Head told us he had resigned and said that he did not believe that Muslims should isolate themselves from the non-Muslim community.

The UKIM works with the police and invited officers to its annual conference  -


Police officer at podium: “I take huge comfort from the really positive messages from the Muslim community.”


N: But in the event which they allowed at their Sparkbrook Mosque another invited speaker said that Muslims can’t join the police –


Young black-turbaned speaker: “Is it correct, is it viable, to join the police? How can you be implementing the laws of the kufr? … It (non-acceptance of kufr laws) means a rejection of the concept of democracy … Rejecting all of the entirety of the system (sic).


N: He mentions a Muslim who joined the British Army and was killed fighting the Taliban last summer


Same speaker: “There was an individual who was killed in Afghanistan recently. There was a Muslim name, he came from a Pakistani family, and do you know what they wrote in a tabloid newspaper? “Hero of Islam”. “Hero of Islam” who went into a Muslim Afghanistan to kill Muslims. Why? Because their crime is implementing Islam.”


N: Then he praises the Taliban fighters who killed him


Same speaker: “The “Hero of Islam” is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.”


N: Sparkbrook Islamic Centre told us that the hall had been hired out by another group, and said: ‘under no circumstances should the UKIM or Sparkbrook Islamic Centre be held responsible for the event.’ The UKIM said: ‘the event did not represent our policy or culture.’ It said it had no organic links with Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan or any other Islamic Party. It said it unequivocally rejected all our allegations, and said the UKIM ‘seeks to promote a two-way understanding between Muslims and their non-Muslim compatriots.’

Dr Mian told us that he did not advocate that Islam would be forced upon anyone, and said that “dismantling British democracy” meant ‘correcting its laws.’ He said we had not quoted his many speeches condemning terrorism, and the killing of innocent people.


N: Our investigation has uncovered bigotry and intolerance spreading from the Saudi religious establishment through major mainstream British organisations.


Haras Rafik (see above): “The radicalising power of this ideology is extremely dangerous. We are actually losing our children to extremists.”


Abdal-Hakim Murad (see above): “I regard what the Saudis are doing in the ghettos of British Islam as potentially lethal for the future of the community.”




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